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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

A couple of years ago, when I spoke to the chief executive of my local health board, they said that, prior to the pandemic, on average, four operations were carried out in a theatre per day, but the figure is now three. When I asked them why that is the case, they said that there is now a thorough deep clean in between operations, and I thought, “Did you not do that before?” That represents a 25 per cent reduction, which will be really impactful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not know whether “optimistic” is the right word to use if you are talking about the UK population being projected to grow to around 82 million people—that is around 15 million more than it is already. Large chunks of England are already pretty much concreted over, so I am not convinced that people will necessarily welcome that. You are suggesting that, on average, a net 20,000 migrants a year will come to Scotland, in addition to 10,000 from other parts of the UK. Given that most political parties—certainly at Westminster—are trying to reduce migration levels, how confident are you that those figures will be maintained?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that very helpful opening statement. The comments next to the very first graph on page 3 of the report sum the situation up: although health spending stands at 36 per cent of the Scottish budget now, it could grow to around 40 per cent by 2029-30 and to an astonishing 55 per cent in 2074-75. There has to be real concern about that, and we have to look at how we can possibly change it.

I do not want to steal John Mason’s thunder, as he always comments on our ability to project things 50 years into the future when there are so many changes, but, in the last two years, the Scottish Fiscal Commission has changed its projections of the Scottish population by 15 per cent, which is pretty drastic. You now predict that there will be 800,000 more people in Scotland than you had predicted a couple of years ago. One is understandably concerned about how projections within such a short period can be so hugely different.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How closely has the Government stuck to the 2023 MTFS?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The fewer, more integrated documents there are, the better, I would have thought.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The Fraser of Allander Institute and other organisations have raised concerns about the fiscal sustainability delivery plan not being incorporated directly into the medium-term financial strategy. What is your view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not doubt that the committee has a lot of sympathy for that. We pressed for the MTFS and we were disappointed that there was not one last year.

To reflect the point that David Phillips was trying to make, we have waited this long and, if we wait another few weeks, we might be able to get a more robust, more impactful MTFS. That is the position that I think he is taking. He is talking about what happens after the summer but, to me, that seems like a long time. The difficulty is that, if the strategy were to come out after 11 June, there would be difficulties with finding the time to scrutinise it before the autumn.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

As members have no further questions, we turn to agenda item 4, which is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Group Relief and Sub-sale Development Relief Modifications) (Scotland) Order 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and Ms Parker for attending to give evidence. We will publish a short report to the Parliament setting out our decision on the instrument.

As that was the last item on the public agenda, I now close this meeting.

Meeting closed at 12:27.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is what is happening now. We are spending more on the NHS, but there are fewer operations than there were before the pandemic.