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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is clear that the terms of reference were different, but how long people have to wait for justice is also an issue. People wait year after year, and many die waiting for these things to conclude.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Once you get to the end of the process, you get the recommendations. Ms Dunlop, would the Faculty of Advocates like to see any changes to the UK’s legislative framework in order to make recommendations more impactful? Are there any other areas in which you feel that the legislation could perhaps be tweaked in order to deliver more for the people whom the inquiries are set up for?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Dr Ireton suggested that serving such letters should be at the chair’s discretion, rather than being mandatory.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, thank you. Let us open up the session. The first to ask questions will be Michelle Thomson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If there is a 10-year inquiry, we are talking about it taking four or five years to produce a report—that is a long, long time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do not worry—I will give you all an opportunity to make a final point at the end. I always do that, just in case we have missed anything out. That will be your opportunity.

My next question is for Mr Clancy. My colleague Michelle Thomson talked about conflict of interest. Is it appropriate for a legal firm that is involved in a public inquiry to go to the media asking for that inquiry, in which it has a direct pecuniary interest, to be deepened and broadened?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is interesting. Thank you.

As I said earlier, I will give each of you the opportunity, as I always do at the end of evidence sessions, to raise any issues that you wish to raise and have not had the opportunity to do so.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good. Thank you very much. Mr Pugh?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Dr Ireton, do you think that people are wildly optimistic when they set out the timescale and the cost of inquiries? I have rarely seen an inquiry come in at a cost that even approximates what was initially budgeted for in either time or funding. However, that does not seem to be the case in other jurisdictions. For example, Australia, which I do not think is wildly different from Scotland as a country, had a Covid inquiry that began in September 2023, finished 13 months later and cost £4 million, whereas the UK inquiry has cost well over £160 million already and has been going on for four years, while Scotland’s Covid inquiry has cost £34 million and has been going on for three and a half years. Surely we can learn from elsewhere how to deliver these more effectively and efficiently in order to have a less debilitating impact on taxpayers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, but, in other jurisdictions, how are the inquiries received by the people on behalf of whom an inquiry is established? They are looking for justice, and there is a perception that they have not received it. My understanding is that, if an inquiry drones on for five or 10 years, the initial impetus is lost. As you will be well aware, once an inquiry report is delivered, the Government of the day, whether it is the UK Government or the Scottish Government, might agree to implement a host of recommendations, of which a proportion, at best, might be implemented a year or two—or five years—later.

There surely must be an element of frustration when an inquiry has taken years and cost a fortune and has resulted in an outcome that might not necessarily be better. Do you think that the UK’s approach results in a better outcome than the punchier inquiries that have cost less and been delivered in a timescale that most laypeople—normal people, if you like—think is realistic? If someone says that they are really keen for a public inquiry to look at X, Y or Z, they do not expect to be told, “Okay, we might have a result for you in five or 10 years.” Even though inquiries can drag on for years, people do not think that that will happen at the start; they all think that a public inquiry will come up with an answer perhaps in the next year or the year after.

How do those shorter inquiries deliver? Following the Australian inquiry into what happened during the Covid pandemic, is there still a level of dissatisfaction, or have people put that to bed and moved on with their lives? Do you get what I am trying to say here? What are we getting as a result of our different approach?