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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is great. Thank you very much for your evidence. We will continue our inquiry, but that concludes our evidence session and, indeed, today鈥檚 meeting.

Meeting closed at 11:50.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was going to come on to that issue next.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Other colleagues will ask about that in greater detail, so I will not touch on that.

Do you accept that when people see senior counsel at the Covid-19 inquiry being paid 拢200 an hour and being able to charge up to 60 hours or 拢12,000 a week, or inquiries that go on for years, it seems like the vested interest of the legal profession is to keep things as they are? Rightly or wrongly, an inquiry is seen as a dripping roast for lawyers. Does that perception, which some people have鈥擨 am one of them, and the rest of the committee members are part of that, too鈥攃oncern the Faculty of Advocates?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

To be fair, that was in Mr Clancy鈥檚 submission, so perhaps it was an unfair question to ask you. I will go to Mr Clancy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If I am involved in an inquiry in which I am paid and I am calling for that inquiry to be deepened and widened, that is surely a conflict of interest. I would have a direct interest in the inquiry being broadened. Is that not the case? Is that in any way appropriate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I turn to Mr Pugh.

13:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is why I specifically talked about making such a call in the media, as opposed to, for example, speaking to the chair of the inquiry and providing evidence as to why the inquiry should be broadened and deepened, or not, as the case may be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank you all for your evidence this morning and, indeed, this afternoon. It has been very helpful for our deliberations.

Meeting closed at 13:17.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What are the differences in terms of outcomes?