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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I will open up the session to colleagues around the table.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have to say, from my recall of economic history, that the issues that you talked about, such as concerns about the amount of investment from British companies going overseas, was an issue before the first world war—that is how long that has been an issue for the Scottish and UK economies.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am asking your opinion as an organisation. You have given us a good submission, but Mr Kennedy’s is very direct and robust. The committee is trying to make things better not only for the Scottish taxpayer but for people who want public inquiries to result in the timeous delivery of justice, as they see it. How does it help anyone if an inquiry runs on for five or 10 years, costs hundreds of millions of pounds and makes recommendations that might not be implemented even a year or two after they were made? Surely that in no one’s interests, and that is why I am keen to have your view on it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Surely the COPFS has a view. In paragraph 19 of your submission, you say:

“prior to the setting up of the Sheku Bayoh Inquiry, COPFS and the then Lord Advocate were of the view that there were matters in relation to the circumstances of Mr Bayoh’s death that would be outwith the scope of a Fatal Accident Inquiry and therefore there would be benefit in a Public Inquiry being held.â€

You were part of the recommendation that there should be an inquiry. Should the terms of reference not include some kind of recommendation that you would want it to report within a couple of years, say, which does not seem unreasonable to normal people, with a certain cost implication? Instead, that inquiry is costing £50 million overall, including £25 million on the police side.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am asking just out of curiosity. That is the only static budget that I have seen in your whole report.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

As I recall, this was not the reason that was given by the cabinet secretary, but David Phillips of the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that it would be more appropriate to wait until the spending review before publishing the MTFS, which is what the Government has done. That was not the entire reason that she gave, but she did touch on it somewhat. Is there an argument for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was just wondering what share of the growth was down to fiscal drag, which is a concern across the UK—it is not just a Scottish issue. The current UK Government and the previous one have, in effect, allowed fiscal drag to enhance their coffers, and the Scottish Government has done the same.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you.

I am curious about something else—it is in paragraph 3.11, on page 39, regarding your projection on public sector employment.

Since the pandemic, there has been an increase of 42,000 in the public sector workforce; 25,000 of those posts are in the NHS, which means that 17,000 are not. The public sector reform agenda will be looking at the size of the workforce, particularly with regard to digitisation, artificial intelligence and so on—you name it. However, despite that, you are predicting only a 0.1 per cent reduction in the current year and 0.3 per cent for 2026-27 onwards. Can you explain that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is that something that you might expect to see in the medium-term financial strategy, for example?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is not to say that that was the reason for the rise to be implemented.