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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One could argue that a teacher, half of whose salary over 拢43,000 goes on tax and national insurance, might have to decide whether they can afford an extra child, because they do not have access to those additional funds. Many people who are in work resent that, which is why the policy is unpopular with the majority of voters, as all polls have shown. People who are working have to decide whether they can afford another child, and they see鈥攔ightly or wrongly鈥攖hat people who are not working might be able to access benefits that they cannot in relation to deciding whether to expand their family.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is absolutely fine鈥攖hey were comprehensive. In fact, opening statements make life easier for the committee, because they answer some of the questions that we would probably have asked anyway. They also lead to other questions, the most obvious of which is why the 拢2 million for the Electoral Commission was not included in the indicative costs. It is pretty obvious that there is going to be an election next year, so it seems bizarre that the sum was not included in the indicative costs for 2025-26.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How much is that worth in the current year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The new committee is looking at that, and it will have to address it as part of its remit.

I go back to the issue of AWE versus ASHE. I know that none of my MSP colleagues are dead keen to get involved in that particular issue, so I suppose, as convener, I will. It is heads we lose, tails we lose, is it not? When it came out, a couple of years ago, the ASHE index was about 1.7 per cent when inflation was 11 per cent. Jackson Carlaw, you had a twinkle in your eye when you said that it will probably reverse next year. It has not really reversed, and now it has gone the other way. MSP salaries have gone up by 12 per cent in the past five years, compared with inflation at 25 per cent. Was it just for public consumption reasons or for other, financial reasons that you decided to stick with AWE?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The staff pay increase in the forthcoming year is also based on the figure of 3.2 per cent, which means that it is difficult to have, for example, in-grade promotions for the advancement of staff members. Why has it been decided to abandon the ASHE-AWE combo for staff?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

There certainly have been improvements in relation to the autumn and spring revisions. I raised the issue last year, however, and although you said that it would be changed, nothing has been changed. That is why I raise it again, and I hope not to have to raise it again next year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How much of next year鈥檚 budget will involve mitigation of United Kingdom Government policies, and what is the impact of that on devolved services?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Scotland has an economic performance gap whereby slower economic growth means that Scotland will raise 拢1,676 million more in income tax in 2025-26 than if it was following UK policies but will benefit by only 拢838 million. What steps are being taken to close that economic performance gap?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is that being done as a result of incidents such as the murders of David Amess and Jo Cox?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Tax revenue is going up because of fiscal drag as much as anything else. The gap needs to close so that the amount that is raised in extra taxes is spent on services, because only half is being spent on services at the moment.

On a very much related issue, in education, the workforce, infrastructure and digital budget has more than doubled鈥攊t has increased by 114 per cent to 拢586 million. I am not sure what that entails, so you might want to provide a wee bit more detail, but the increase certainly seems very positive.

However, college budgets have been reduced yet again鈥攁ccording to Audit Scotland, they have fallen by 17 per cent in real terms in four years. In my area, Ayrshire College needs additional revenue to deliver 250 training places for the aerospace sector. It is anticipated that, over the next few years, 3,500 jobs will be created at Hunterston, backed by 拢3.5 billion of investment. However, at present, Ayrshire College faces reducing the number of engineering apprentices, despite employers requesting 50 more places than have been funded.

I take on board what you have said about money going into areas such as reducing child poverty, but people in deprived areas who could have opportunities to get high-quality engineering apprenticeships are not getting them because such apprenticeships are not being funded properly. How do we boost the economy, close the employment gap and give people a better future if Ayrshire College and others are expected to make year-on-year savings by reducing the number of engineering apprenticeships, for example?