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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Are you suggesting that I should put that directly to the First Minister when he comes to the Conveners Group in a week or two?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. I call Liz Smith.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That approach would not have to be taken every year, but it would be useful for organisations that have been around for decades.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Incidentally, to jump back a bit, I worked out, while we were having this discussion, that the £490,000 that will be saved by ministerial salary sacrifice in the next financial year is less than the money from putting £1 on 600,000 tonnes of inert waste for a year. I just want to provide that perspective.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Agenda item 5 involves formal consideration of the motion on the instrument. I invite the minister to move motion S6M-16547.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (Part 2 Further Extension) Order 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In the social justice portfolio, an extra £117.8 million has had to be allocated. I realise that that is demand led, but it seems that child disability payments are particularly high, at some £67.9 million, which is well over half of that figure. Is there any reason why there seems to have been an underestimate of what the portfolio was likely to need?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not think that there is any doubt about that, and I think that everyone would accept that. The issue is about minimising those fluctuations and ensuring that we do not have big fluctuations in specific areas of social security. We are not talking about a 1 or 2 per cent variation in the budget—although, given the size of the budget, that in itself would be of concern. We want to know why one specific area of social security spending is much higher than was anticipated when others are more or less on an even keel or even slightly less than was anticipated.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Everything piques my interest, as you probably know.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The issue isnae just about the money coming back. Given the inflation that we have in construction and other areas, it is about the value of some of the projects. For example, a road upgrade project was signed off in my constituency in October 2021 for £22.7 million. To upgrade the same road now would cost £10 million more, and that money is not forthcoming. There is real concern about the projects being delivered on time, so it is about ensuring that that happens.

I have one more question, and then I will open up to other members. The supporting document notes:

“Ring-fenced budget cover has been provided by HM Treasury to support this change in accounting treatment however some of the IFRS16 changes will impact our discretionary funding. This is due to changes in forecasts provided against original plans for IFRS 16 leasing requirements with full additional budget cover not provided to cover these forecast changes.â€

What is the likely impact on discretionary funding?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Has it cost us about £13 million, then?