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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that opening statement. I am sure that the SFC’s chair, Graeme Roy, will be delighted to be described as

“a seasoned and effective communicator”.

I am sure that we all agree with that.

The report is excellent and really well put together. On page 8, it says that the recommendations

“position the institution to have an important role in empowering political and public understanding around budget choices at a time when Scotland’s fiscal context will become increasingly challenging.”

Obviously, that is quite a sensitive issue in politics. How do you suggest that the SFC can do that in a non-partisan way, or in a way that is seen to be non-partisan?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I like the way that you say “layperson”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes questions from members. I have a final question. The report’s conclusion talks about

“the SFC’s potential to go beyond its role as official economic and fiscal forecaster and help raise awareness around fiscal challenges.”

The SFC has raised awareness about climate change and sustainability and there has not really been any political kickback, because it has been able to show a degree of political neutrality. You believe that the SFC should deepen its spending analysis beyond social security to offer more comprehensive insights into public spending trade-offs.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Are there any more points that you want to make to wind up the session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What should be the priorities for your successor?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We move to questions from members, beginning with Liz Smith, to be followed by Ross Greer.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I think that we have been very fair and very open.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The next agenda item is an evidence session with the Minister for Public Finance on the Scottish Landfill Tax (Standard Rate and Lower Rate) Order 2025. The minister is joined today by Jonathan Waite, the Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill team leader at the Scottish Government. I welcome them both and invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

People have suggested in evidence that, notwithstanding that, there is an issue about the requirement for more capital investment. Clearly, if the bill goes through, there will be a right to recovery. You talk in the financial memorandum about publicising that, trying to reduce stigma and getting more people to come forward. There is a fear that there could be an upsurge in the number of people coming forward and that, even though the Scottish Government is going up to 650 beds, that will not be enough.

Paragraph 38 in the financial memorandum states:

“The average cost of a placement in a core programme in rehab in Scotland is £18,112”.

I understand how difficult it is to put together a financial memorandum on the issue, but it says that placement costs range from ÂŁ6,504 to ÂŁ27,500, for varying lengths of courses, and that the cost per week is ÂŁ350 to ÂŁ5,500. If there is an upsurge, there will be extra demand on private places as well, which I assume the Scottish Government would be expected to fund under the bill. The Scottish Government could be funding private places at ÂŁ5,000-plus per week. As demand goes up, we could end up with costs rising exponentially because of such issues. How do you address that concern?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do you feel that the financial memorandum reflects that? The evidence suggests that it does not. Finding people to do the work is one of the issues. Even if the Scottish Government had unlimited cash resources, it would still have to find people and train them to the required standard in order to deliver the outcomes that we would like to see.

Paragraph 85 of the financial memorandum says that

“the implementation of the Bill will lead to more completed treatments. This in turn will mean fewer repeat appointments being needed for patients who are seeking a new treatment, having had an unsuccessful patient journey.”

If staff numbers across Scotland are going to need to significantly increase, some staff will not have the same experience as those who work for organisations that have worked in the field for years or even decades. You are suggesting that the bill will lead to better outcomes, but I am not sure that we have the evidence that that will be the case, as some people will not have the same level of experience.