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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I always think that, for long-term projects—city region deals being an obvious example of projects with a long development period—a spending review never happens next week, next month or even next year. It always seems to be kicked down the road—there is always that worry as well.

I will open up the session to questions. Michael Marra will start, to be followed by Liz Smith.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

When we discussed that issue during budget deliberations, we said that, because of in-grade rises, promotions and so on, 3 per cent really looked like being more like 4.5 per cent, but that is not being budgeted for.

I am jumping about a bit, because I do not want to take up too much time, given that other colleagues will want to come in. However, I want to cover a number of bases that others will want to touch on. I am not going to mention AI—David Bell’s report is laced with it—because I know that a certain individual will probably want to come in on that.

Professor Spowage, you talked about the MTFS earlier and you said that it appears to have

“the trappings of a strategic document but lacks a lot of detail that would be required for it to be a useful set of forecasts. There is no detail on how the spending projections are arrived at, and therefore it is impossible to scrutinise the priority of each and how realistic they are.”

You have also said that it has largely been “abandoned”.

Added to that, you talked about the fiscal sustainability delivery plan, and you said:

“It’s unclear why a different document is needed.”

I do not think you are the only person to have said that. The SFC has said something similar. Why do you think it has produced a separate document?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You say that the addition of the medium-term financial strategy to the budget process

“has been a positive development, setting out five-year forecasts”,

and you go on to say that

“this should encourage budget planning over multiple years rather than focusing on balancing the budget one year ahead.”

Can you talk to us about that, too?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is an important point. Your submission also says:

“We currently do not have a role forecasting spending, other than social security payments”.

You are obviously keen to have that additional role.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I hear a sense of frustration, though, that, although you are examining that aspect, you are not able to deliver the same handle on its impact on the rest of the Scottish budget. I sympathise with you on that. You say:

“The Scottish Government has also set out scenarios for spending and funding to assess the risks faced by the Scottish Budget in future years. The Scottish Fiscal Commission does not currently have any role in assessing these scenarios and risks.”

Again, would you be keen to have such a role?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Exactly. In the autumn revisions, in particular, we have a groundhog day scenario with some of those transfers. I have said that to ministers, as you probably know. Thank you for emphasising that.

You said that the evaluation of the forecast in 2024, which was accompanied by a fiscal update, was

“judged to be a useful snapshot as the Scottish Parliament began its annual process of Budget scrutiny so we plan to publish the Fiscal Update again in August 2025.”

Can you touch on how useful that was?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I know that I speak for the committee when I say that it was very useful when you came to our business planning day in Dundee in late August last year. We went through the update, which was helpful and provided a springboard for what happened in the following weeks and months.

I will open up the session to colleagues around the table. The first member to ask questions will be the previously mentioned Craig Hoy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Can you give us a bit more detail on which areas you are looking for more information in?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If five weeks is ideal, why not say that and put that on the record? The likelihood of getting five weeks—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In our previous evidence session, we touched on the issue of communications and how difficult it is to get things out to a wider audience. Last week, I spoke about fiscal literacy among łÉČËżěĘÖ. We have constituency work, which, certainly for me, is about 70 to 80 per cent of my weekly workload. We then have our parliamentary duties on top of that. If people are not necessarily focused on finance, they might not have a deep grasp of the fiscal framework, frankly. Do you believe that you have a role to play there? When members are elected to the Parliament next year, I do not know how many of them will be new łÉČËżěĘÖ, but it could be 30 or 40 per cent of them or more. The SFC could perhaps play a role in the training—for want of a better word—of new members on fiscal issues.