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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Amen.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 24th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take item 4 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Robinson, in a related context, you said:

“The Scottish Government will need to be clear in its future spending plans and financial strategies how each of these measures”

will be delivered. The measures are increasing public value, identifying efficiencies and productivity, service reform and prevention. Will you tell us a bit more about your thinking on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I know.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is a bit cruel, really.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, driving a tractor is better than working with a pitchfork.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You said that

“Public investment is merely a fraction of private sector investment”

and

“The UK is therefore reliant on capital from abroad, with the low productivity of the country also making investments less attractive.”

Because we have not got enough capital investment, it deters the people we need to bring in more capital investment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Sousa, you have talked about, in terms of capital, the difference between different types of infrastructure spend. I remember back in 2008 when we had the crash, everyone was talking about the gearing effect of certain capital projects relative to others. In other words, if you invest in one type of capital, you get more return than from others.

Your submission talks about

“road and rail connections, which are canonical examples”,

and notes that

“Public transport in particular has a high return.”

You also went on to talk about how UK businesses have

“lowered investment skills over time”,

which I am sure others will pick up on.

Given that there will almost certainly be a capital funding gap in the forthcoming year and beyond, where should we prioritise capital for the maximum amount of economic return?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Well, there are still issues, but it is not quite how it was. Back in the day, my dad’s sister died of scarlet fever, but I do not think that many people die of that now in Scotland.

Okay, the late Craig Hoy. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We continue our evidence session with a round-table discussion. I welcome Michael Kellet, director of strategy, governance and performance, Public Health Scotland; David Livey—who I think we may have met once or twice before—policy and public affairs manager, Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations; Dave Moxham, deputy general secretary, Scottish Trades Union Congress; Mike Brown, treasurer, Social Work Scotland; and Ian McCall, policy and campaigns officer, Walking Scotland. I welcome you all and thank you for your written submissions.

We have about 90 minutes for this session. If witnesses wish to be brought into the discussion at any point, please indicate to the clerks and I will call you—I will not be asking each of you questions in turn.

I will start with an opening question to Dave Moxham. Do not act surprised, Dave; I told you two minutes ago we were going to start with you.