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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The OECD report said that the SFC is as independent as the OBR, if not more so. If the Scottish Government tried to cut your funding, I think that you would find that the coverage that you got in the Scottish media would be a lot higher than it probably is at present, so I do not think that there is any likelihood of that happening.

That concludes our questions. Are there any final points that you want to raise on any issues that you feel that we should have touched on but have not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The OECD’s 2025 report on the Scottish Fiscal Commission was very positive, as you know from when we discussed it. You will have seen the Official Report of the committee’s deliberations from two weeks ago.

The OECD said:

“the SFC will need to broaden and deepen its spending analysis beyond social security. This will enable the SFC to undertake robust independent analysis of spending pressures across the budget and highlight in politically neutral terms some of the different ways in which they might be alleviated.”

I know that you welcome that. What would be the resource implications of it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I noticed that 80 to 81 per cent of your budget goes on staff and that you have underspent that by about 5 per cent in the past couple of years. If you were to do this additional work, would there need to be a significant expansion in the SFC’s budget, or are you reasonably confident that it can be delivered with the budget as it is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am worried that the recruitment of Ross Burnside, with his outrageous financial demands, might tip you into deficit, so I hope that you will be reining him in early doors on that.

One document that you published was your corporate plan for 2022 to 2025. In that plan, there are four strategic objectives—I have them written here in front of me. Could you talk about them for a minute or two?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You touched briefly on risks. You have identified five potential areas of risk. When it comes to corporate systems, the annual report explains:

“This risk rose to and remained high amber for the second half of the year”.

What is happening?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You are held to account on your forecast.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If it takes a few years, do you not push for it not to take a few years? Have you requested that the Government achieve the recommendations by any specific deadlines?

The Government often takes a mañana approach to documents. If something does not have to be done this week, it will be done next week or, more likely, the week after.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Exactly. It is important to emphasise and get on the record the fact that the issue is not just about the time; it is about what happens in that time period. We make that point, too, when we speak to the Government.

You also said:

“any spending which is known at the budget-setting stage to have to be transferred later on should be shown in the portfolio which will incur the spending from the outset.”

I have been saying that since Craig Hoy was in short trousers, and that was not yesterday. That is a really important point. Do you want to expand on that a wee bit?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, everyone. The first item on our agenda is an evidence session with the Scottish Fiscal Commission on the Scottish budget process in practice. It is the first evidence session as part of our inquiry into the process.

I welcome to the meeting, from the Scottish Fiscal Commission: Professor Graeme Roy, chair; Professor Francis Breedon, commissioner; John Ireland, chief executive; and Claire Murdoch, head of fiscal sustainability and public funding. Before we move to committee members’ questions, I apologise for keeping our guests waiting. Our previous session, which was a briefing on the spring statement, overran by a few minutes.

The Scottish Fiscal Commission has said:

“Since the start of this parliamentary session in May 2021 there have been some welcome improvements in the information published by the Scottish Government as part of the Budget which improves its transparency.”

For the record, will you touch upon some of those improvements?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Part 5 of our questionnaire asked:

“How effective is current public engagement in the budget process”?

In your submission, you replied:

“The Scottish Fiscal Commission welcomes public engagement in the budget process and is aware of the importance of providing clear material to support this engagement.”

That does not address how effective it is. I do not think that this is the SFC’s fault, by any manner of means, but one of the issues that was touched on in the OECD report was how we can improve the effectiveness of engagement with the budget. Two weeks ago, we talked about fiscal literacy among stakeholders, łÉČËżěĘÖ and so on, and we will probably talk about it again today.

I wonder whether you could respond to that question, because it is almost as though you have done a wee body swerve. [Laughter.] That is not like you, as you are usually very direct in your responses. That is how I sniffed it out.