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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I thought that you wanted Alan Russell to respond, too.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

There is another way to look at that. To encourage innovation, we could say that, if local authorities have introduced such innovations, that should be looked at specifically in their settlement. We all know that there is a funding formula, but should there be some recognition of innovation? We would not want a situation in which a council that has decided to spend something on a project will necessarily get that fully funded by the national Government, or councils could just spend money on whatever they wanted and the national Government would be left with the bill. However, is there a mechanism by which innovation could perhaps be more recognised? Should councils that are being more innovative and bringing in new ideas perhaps be rewarded for that in some way?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

My final question is on an issue that arose after you had made your submissions, although Ray Perman touched on it earlier. How will the new national insurance increases impact on the Scottish budget and the economy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

We have touched on demography. Last night, I was reading this week’s edition of The Economist. In the Caucasian state of Georgia, there was a particular concern about the fertility rate, which had fallen to 1.6 per woman. The Orthodox patriarch said that he would personally come round and baptise anyone who had a third child and, within a year, the fertility rate had gone up to 2.1. Perhaps someone should give Jim Wallace, the Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, a call—that might help.

12:45  

Next week, we will take evidence from the Deputy First Minister on the national performance framework. Scotland was one of the first places to introduce such a framework and we all accept that it is a good tool, but is it doing what it says on the tin? I put the question to Susan Murray first, because the issue was included in her paper. Is the NPF influencing Government policy in the way that it should by focusing on outcomes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I have a couple of issues to wind up on. First, referring to paragraph 13 of the COSLA-CIPFA submission, which is headed “Place-based inclusive approaches are needed”, you say:

“Councils will look to use well established place-based approaches ... bringing buildings back into use in town centres and improving the wider public realm, to supporting and working with communities to make places more liveable.”

Does COSLA believe that the Scottish Government should introduce compulsory sales orders in this parliamentary session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, indeed. I asked whether CIPFA believes that the Scottish Government should introduce compulsory sales orders in this parliamentary session to improve your ability to deliver place-based approaches.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Does David Eiser or Susan Murray wish to comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

In that case, I will move to questions from committee members, and I am pretty sure that one area in particular is going to be focused on very quickly.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

We probably all need to do that, to be perfectly honest. Lastly, what is the STUC’s view on targeting versus universalism?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Yes. However, you said in your submission:

“The devolution of tax powers to the Scottish Parliament has introduced a higher level of risk and uncertainty around the assumptions required to deliver a Budget.”

Surely the same would apply if there was greater devolution of powers to fundraise to local authorities. Surely increasing planning and building control fees, which could act as a deterrent to lodging planning applications and submitting plans to building control, would not bring in significant sums of money for local government.