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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Well, I have to say that Germany’s economy has been stagnating for five years.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Sorry—we will let Elaine Morrison answer the first part of the question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. As I said, everyone will have an opportunity to say anything that they do not think that we have touched on or that they want to re-emphasise after what has been said earlier. Andy Witty will go last—I am looking for a volunteer to go first, otherwise I will pick somebody.

Well volunteered, Lesley.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Does Elaine Morrison want to go next?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. Mr Witty, you are last but not least.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that.

I thank all our guests this morning for their very helpful contributions to our deliberations. We will continue to take evidence on this issue over the next few weeks, because fiscal sustainability and long-term fiscal pressures are always on committee members’ minds.

Without further ado, I call a break until 11.10 to enable a changeover of witnesses and to give members a break.

11:05 Meeting suspended.  

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am not going to pursue that matter, because there are a number of issues that I want to cover, but I am sure that colleagues will want to come in and explore it further.

Cabinet secretary, in your opening statement, you talked about £649 million to mitigate UK austerity. If that money is being used to mitigate UK austerity, it is not being spent on devolved services. We heard the concerns that were raised by the college sector earlier this morning, whose budget for the year is roughly £649 million. You will be aware that that budget has been cut by 17 per cent in real terms over the past five years. Surely, the issue of poverty is one of opportunity cost. The colleges have robustly argued that investing in skills, training and employability, as opposed to larger benefit payments, for example, will ultimately have greater benefits for the individuals themselves, the economy and society, and that it will make Scotland more fiscally sustainable. Is opportunity cost not one of the big issues that we have to face at this time? You said that there is not a black hole, but the funding gaps that the Government faces are around £1 billion for the next financial year and £2.6 billion by 2029-30.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that, at the moment, the figure is about £1.2 billion over and above the block grant adjustment. The Scottish Fiscal Commission is saying that it is £1.3 billion and that it will go up to £1.5 billion.