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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

David, the NPF has been around for some 14 years, so do you think that there are some transparency issues in relation to the NPF and how it works across Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Culture change is always a difficult challenge.

This will be my final question, as I want to let colleagues in. Ray Perman, you say in your submission:

“The RSE is concerned that new initiatives from the UK Government, including the Shared Prosperity Fund, Levelling Up Fund, and Community Renewal Fund will bypass the devolved administrations.”

Can you elaborate on those concerns?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I will move on to something that we have discussed. I am looking to find out from Gail Macgregor where the balance should be struck on local flexibility. In 2007 the Scottish Government abolished some 60 ring-fenced funds from the previous Labour-Lib Dem Administration and signed what is now fondly looked back on as the historic concordat of November 2007. The idea was that local flexibility would be restored across local government.

However, an issue arose, of course, for the Scottish ministers when they allocated funding for specific pots—for teacher numbers, for example. Local authorities would then decide that, as they had local flexibility, they would not spend the money on teacher numbers. The parliamentary party colleagues of those who had decided not to increase teacher numbers in specific areas would then attack the Scottish Government for failing to deliver on its manifesto commitment to increase teacher numbers. The Scottish ministers obviously thought, “We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.”

How do we balance that? The Scottish ministers do not want to be in the position of providing additional funding for specific areas of manifesto commitment policy yet being criticised for not delivering it. On the other hand, if they do not provide local authorities with flexibility, they will be criticised for that. Is there a way in which that can be balanced?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

How can the Scottish Government fully fund local government, for example, if it is not fully funded through the block grant?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Joanne, you can have the last word.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Is LBTT or house price inflation more likely to inhibit people’s ability to move to larger properties? That is in places such as Edinburgh. I am not talking about North Ayrshire, which I represent and where, for £0.5 million, you can buy a palace, never mind a house. I have a five-bedroom detached house with a garage, which cost me £145,000. There is a big difference between house prices across the country. What is your view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

We are straying a wee bit from budget scrutiny here, Douglas.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

In your submission, you suggest that the tax system should include

“simplicity ... certainty”

and

“A fair balance”.

You go on to talk about the Low Incomes Tax Reform Group’s

“seven principles for the tax system”,

which are that it should be

“Clear and up to date ... Simple ... Equitable ... Just ... Accessible and responsive ... Joined up”

and

Գܲ”.

Given the current on-going discussions about national insurance, is that a tax that you feel meets those seven principles?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I have further questions that I will leave to the end if there is time. I am keen to let other members in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Sorry, can I just interrupt you there? Age Scotland did not make that suggestion in a vacuum—the point was that the money could be reinvested in aids and adaptations for older people. The money would still remain with older people, but it would be spent on something different as part of the preventative spend.

Age Scotland was saying that, if we did not spend money on concessionary travel for those aged between 60 and 65, we could invest it on improvements for them. The organisation got a bit of a win, in fact, because, although Mr Swinney did not remove the concessionary fare, he increased investment in that area by 25 per cent in that particular financial year. Suggesting something to disinvest in and something better to invest in gave him food for thought.

That was the background, just in case you think that your predecessor was suggesting that older people should be disadvantaged in some way. I apologise—I should have said that initially.