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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Next week.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that

“the planned Fiscal Sustainability Delivery Plan should be fully transparent about the scale of the risks to the affordability of public services and options for how the Scottish Government can manage them.”

What concerns do you have that the plan will not be transparent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was not sure whether that would be the case.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

A couple of years ago, when I spoke to the chief executive of my local health board, they said that, prior to the pandemic, on average, four operations were carried out in a theatre per day, but the figure is now three. When I asked them why that is the case, they said that there is now a thorough deep clean in between operations, and I thought, “Did you not do that before?” That represents a 25 per cent reduction, which will be really impactful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

As members have no further questions, we turn to agenda item 4, which is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Group Relief and Sub-sale Development Relief Modifications) (Scotland) Order 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and Ms Parker for attending to give evidence. We will publish a short report to the Parliament setting out our decision on the instrument.

As that was the last item on the public agenda, I now close this meeting.

Meeting closed at 12:27.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is what is happening now. We are spending more on the NHS, but there are fewer operations than there were before the pandemic.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is interesting that, in paragraph 29, you say that

“Under a scenario of worse population health, we project the annual budget gap to reach minus 4.0 per cent by the end of the projection”,

but if the gap

“is improved by better population health,”

it could be a “positive 6.2 per cent.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The issue is not only how long we live, but how long we live in good health. That is a major issue, certainly in the area that I represent, where the average age at which people go out of good health is as low as 56—in other words, people can live in ill health for 15 to 20 years. That is a major issue for the individuals concerned, never mind for budgetary considerations.

I am keen to look at what you say about the annual budget gaps. You say:

“We also assume the UK Government does not take action to address its own fiscal sustainability challenges.”

Why would it not do that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not know whether “optimistic” is the right word to use if you are talking about the UK population being projected to grow to around 82 million people—that is around 15 million more than it is already. Large chunks of England are already pretty much concreted over, so I am not convinced that people will necessarily welcome that. You are suggesting that, on average, a net 20,000 migrants a year will come to Scotland, in addition to 10,000 from other parts of the UK. Given that most political parties—certainly at Westminster—are trying to reduce migration levels, how confident are you that those figures will be maintained?