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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Inflation is leading to fiscal drag, which is a windfall for the chancellor. What is the impact on middle-income earners in particular?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I have one more question before I open it out to colleagues. In his speech, Paul Johnson said that, over the period since 2010,

“health spending will have increased by over 40%, education spending by less than 3%.â€

That relates to south of the border, and implies a remarkable lack of priority afforded to the education system, with

“spending per student in FE and sixth form collegesâ€

remaining

“well below 2010 levels.â€

He goes on to say:

“This is not a set of priorities which looks consistent with a long term growth strategy.â€

What has been the impact on growth of those education policies over the past decade or so?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Kenneth Gibson

For our second budget scrutiny evidence-taking session, we are joined remotely by Carl Emmerson, the deputy director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies. Mr Emmerson is standing in for the director of the IFS, Paul Johnson, who is unwell—we wish him a swift recovery. I thank Mr Emmerson for making himself available to give evidence at short notice and welcome him to the meeting.

I remind members that our broadcasting team will operate their microphones, so they should not touch them. We have an hour for this evidence-taking session, so it would be helpful if members could keep their questions concise.

I invite Mr Emmerson to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. We allowed 60 minutes for this session, and we have taken just 15 seconds more than that. I thank Mr Emmerson for his short, sharp, direct and stimulating answers to our questions.

11:30 Meeting continued in private until 11:37.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Paul Johnson said that the decisions taken by the chancellor were

“almost entirely a set of policy choices unrelated to the pandemic.â€

He went on:

“High inflation, rising taxes, and poor growth, still undermined more by Brexit than by the pandemic, will see real living standards barely rising and, for many, falling over the next year.â€

Is that something that we are seeing elsewhere, or is the UK unique in being in this situation? If the UK is not unique and other countries are battling the same issues as the UK—Brexit excluded—and doing just as badly, we cannot criticise the UK Government. Is the UK doing specifically poorly on these issues?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Kenneth Gibson

The issue of productivity is crucial because the sectors in which more and more people are needed, such as social care, are the ones where it is hardest to deliver the productivity gains that are require.

A shortage of skilled labour for the high-tech and more productive jobs that we need to keep the economy going and create the additional resources that we want to invest in health and social care and so on will force up wages in the short, medium and long terms. How will that impact on our international competitiveness as a global trading economy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that opening statement. You have actually covered many of the areas on which I was going to ask questions, so I will just ask about a number of issues that follow on from them.

The Christie commission followed soon after the passing of the Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010, which means that a decade has elapsed since both. You said in your opening statement that there are many examples of reform that have made a tangible difference to people’s lives, but can you touch on one or two of the most significant examples in that respect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

How frustrating is it that best practice is not shared as much as it could be? For example, the previous parliamentary session’s Local Government and Communities Committee found that the level of sickness in the best local authority was only one quarter that of the worst. They were both Scottish National Party-controlled councils, by the way, so we cannot make a political argument about that. Given the size and scale of Scotland, is it frustrating that strong methodologies that are in place are not being looked at, copied and implemented elsewhere so that we can take things forward in a much more positive way with the limited resources that we have?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

If the John Swinney of 2021 went back to 2007, he would tell his predecessor that he was yet to reach his prime—he says sookily.

11:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 12th meeting in 2021 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

The first item on our agenda is to take evidence from the Deputy First Minister on public service reform and the Christie commission. Members have received a background paper from the clerks. Mr Swinney is joined today by Scottish Government officials Laura Turney and David Milne. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite the Deputy First Minister to make a short opening statement.