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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thanks very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I realise that I have been asking questions for quite a while now—I apologise to colleagues for that. I will ask one more and then I will let everyone else in. There is another really interesting but depressing statistic in paragraph 4.48 in the report:

“Disability prevalence has risen from 19 per cent of the UK population in 2002-03 to 27 per cent of the population by 2022-23.”

Do your projections expect that trend to continue, to stay the same or to reverse?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence on the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s “Fiscal Sustainability Report”, which was published on 8 April 2025, and which has a particular focus on health.

I welcome to the meeting, from the Scottish Fiscal Commission, Professor Graeme Roy, chair; Professor Francis Breedon, commissioner; Dr Caroline Carney, senior analyst; and Claire Murdoch, head of fiscal sustainability and public funding.

Before we move to questions, I invite Professor Roy to make a brief opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The SFC witnesses are sitting right behind you, so I am glad that you are saying that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In your evidence earlier, you raised the issue of technology. You talked about reform and how technology can help to reduce costs for the Scottish Government. On page 55 of the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s sustainability document, on health, the SFC assumes that healthcare costs will increase by 1 per cent every year for the next half century, and it talks about the Baumol effect, due to healthcare being labour intensive, and long-term conditions. It also says that 0.13 percentage points of that cumulative increase in annual spend over 50 years—which is clearly a lot—

“captures the effect of technological advancements on healthcare costs.”

The SFC also says:

“Developments in medical devices, techniques, and procedures tend to push up costs, or where costs are reduced, can result in the expansion of treatments.”

Therefore, is it the case that technology does not always deliver the savings that one might look for?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do you feel that the Government is not meeting those standards?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I agree. I just do not think that they are particularly small, reasonable or appropriate.

You also say that the SHRC proposed that a citizen’s version of each key document should be published. What does that mean?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I said that I was going to challenge some things. The SHRC report recommends making budget publications available in an accessible, simplified format and in different languages with the participation of existing civil society groups. I understand what that means, but how would it work and what languages should the publications be available in? Who is going to want to read the Scottish budget in Hungarian, Urdu, Swahili or Spanish, for example? Surely that is just nonsense. Let us be honest: everybody in the country bar a small minority is pretty fluent in English, and I think that those who are not will have other priorities before reading the Scottish budget documents.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is interesting that committees may be somewhat loth to look at the MTFS and how it affects them. Perhaps we should look at that in the future. I feel that, when the new ˿ come in next year, there should be an element of induction in some of those areas to let them know what we are talking about. There is not much point if only 10 or 20 per cent of the Parliament is debating those issues effectively.

On how effective current public engagement is, you say:

“the Scottish Government has made some progress in making the budget process more transparent over the last four years but is still failing to reach standards considered adequate by international best practice and ... greater budget transparency is needed to realise human rights.”

What country or countries would you say are the gold standard in that regard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is a politician’s answer.