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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, we might have been able to predict the impact of Brexit, to an extent, but not necessarily what other major global issues might happen, such as the possibility of a war in Ukraine. I do not envy you your task of trying to predict events that could transpire in the future.

Just to wind up, are there any further points or comments that you wish to make?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

We thank you and Professor Lombardi for coming along and answering our questions in such a forthright manner. We will decide in private session later today whether to agree the appointments; we will then make a recommendation to the Parliament.

We will have a break to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:32 Meeting suspended.  

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

The next item is to take evidence on public administration in the Scottish Government. We are joined by the permanent secretary to the Scottish Government, John-Paul Marks. Mr Marks is accompanied by Scottish Government officials: Lesley Fraser, director general corporate; Paul Johnston; director general communities; and Jackie McAllister, chief financial officer. I welcome you all to the meeting, and I invite Mr Marks to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I am impressed by your enthusiasm for change and innovation. You touched on the outcomes in the national performance framework. Over lunch, we will be hearing from Government officials about the NPF. On 24 February, you said to the Public Audit Committee:

鈥淲e want to build on the national performance framework and integrate it with our accounts to give us a good record of how delivery is translating into outcomes.鈥濃擺Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 24 February 2022; c 12.]

Where are we on that pathway?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Well, clearly, you are at odds with the committee鈥攚hich represents four political parties鈥攐n this issue. I know that colleagues want to explore that matter in greater detail, so I will allow them to do so.

I have one more question鈥擫esley Fraser was here last week, and I am sure that she can guess what I am going to ask. Mr Swinney said:

鈥渢he permanent secretary is not an individual; they are an office holder.鈥濃擺Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 26 April 2022; c 7.]

Do you agree with that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that clarification. Colleagues are champing at the bit, so I will open out the session. I will go first to Daniel Johnson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

On that note, I will end the meeting, which has been long. I appreciate the permanent secretary鈥檚 responses to the committee鈥檚 questions. We will continue to explore issues relating to public administration in government.

That concludes the public part of today鈥檚 meeting. The next item, which is consideration of appointments and reappointments to the Scottish Fiscal Commission, will be in private.

12:17 Meeting continued in private until 12:28.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that and for your earlier response. I will open up the session to colleagues round the table. The first person to ask questions will be John Mason, to be followed by Daniel Johnson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. That concludes our questions for the moment. We will let you know, Dr Lombardi.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I welcome to the meeting Professor Graeme Roy, who is nominated as chair of the Scottish Fiscal Commission. As before, we will move straight to questions. [Interruption.] Who stole my questions during the interval? Ah, that is what it is鈥擨 wrote them on a completely different set of paper.

You have made it clear in your statement that you are passionate about the Scottish economy, Professor Roy. Why do you want to chair the Scottish Fiscal Commission and what would you change, introduce and improve to enhance the work of the commission?