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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Are they relatively small steps? It may be that only half a dozen people would read the document in those languages, and it would cost a huge amount—probably thousands of pounds—to translate it into one other language, never mind more. Do we know many languages are being proposed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is that because of the Government’s approach to public sector pay? For example, this morning, the UK Government made it crystal clear that it will not increase its pay offer of an increase of 2.8 per cent to public sector workers. The UK Government has also taken a very strong line in response to the Birmingham strike that has been in the headlines for a number of weeks.

The Scottish Government set out an increase of 3 per cent a year for three years, but, because of what has happened in previous years, it seems like the trade unions are looking at that as a floor from which to negotiate. If that proves to be the case and we end up with rises above that—Scotland already pays on average £2,300 more per year for public sector workers than the UK does for their equivalents down south—is there a possibility that we could end up with yet another emergency statement in the autumn?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Next week.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that

“the planned Fiscal Sustainability Delivery Plan should be fully transparent about the scale of the risks to the affordability of public services and options for how the Scottish Government can manage them.â€

What concerns do you have that the plan will not be transparent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Let us go back to the issue of productivity. Paragraph 4.34 talks about the increase in expenditure. It says:

“Despite increased funding and staffing levels and initiatives to improve productivity and outcomes for patients, these are not yet making progress.â€

Is there progress in Scotland in any area? For example, health boards that are struggling could look to other health boards in Scotland or, indeed, those outwith Scotland to see what they are doing well and how they can exchange best practice and take things forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

To well over 270 per cent, according to—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish Government has given a commitment to hold an annual fiscal sustainability debate, and I am sure that your report will make a significant contribution to our deliberations. Thank you for your evidence. You certainly came mob-handed.

I will wind up the session with a wee advert for tomorrow morning’s event on the report, which has been organised by the Scottish Parliament information centre. It will start at half past 8 in the Holyrood room. Everyone is welcome. Apparently, it will be chaired by a young, dynamic and outrageously handsome MSP, so it will be worth attending for that alone. Bacon rolls will also be provided, which I know is always a big draw. I realise that some members of the committee—Liz Smith is one—will not be able to come along, as they have other committee meetings tomorrow, but I hope that those of you who can, will do so. There will be an opportunity to ask further questions about what is a really important report.

We will have a two-minute break to allow broadcasting and official report staff to leave.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that statement. I do not have any questions, so I will open up the discussion to members of the committee. At the moment, the only member who wants to ask a question is Ross Greer.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Ross Greer makes a good point. For example, 37 per cent of universal credit recipients are in work, which is perhaps not talked about as much as it should be.

Earlier, Professor Breedon and Professor Roy talked about the importance of debt and whether the 98 per cent of GDP level could go up to 150 per cent. We can think about the impact on debt interest, because the UK already pays six times more in debt interest than it spends on the NHS in Scotland in a year. Obviously, if debt goes up, interest payments go up, and it is likely that the level of interest will go up because our rating will decline. That is quite an important point.

I have a final question. Michelle Thomson touched on climate change, but your report states:

“This report does not integrate the effects of climate change or the Scottish Government’s climate change response into our projections because the data is currently unavailable.

Climate change has been deemed the most important health threat of the century.â€

It goes on to talk about the impact on society and individuals of

“wetter winters, hotter, drier summers ... temperature extremes ... and frequent floodingâ€

and about the effects on health and wellbeing.

What discussions have you had with the Scottish Government and, perhaps through the OBR, with the UK Government to try to secure that data? In the presentation that you gave last year, you said that it would cost £186 billion, at last year’s prices, in combined funding from the public and private sectors, to deal with the climate crisis. That figure has stuck in my mind. Where are you with all of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

When I was watching the news this morning, I found out that I have a mental illness. It was said that hoarding is apparently some kind of mental illness. I have a huge library because I have been collecting books since I was at school, so does that mean that I am a hoarder? One wonders how realistic these definitions are. The definitions might be impactful for individuals, but we have to consider the wider societal impact of how we define some of these things.