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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish Government specifically talked about freeports being different from green ports, so why is it not trying to give itself a competitive advantage by making the period seven or nine years? The Government has put a number of strictures on green freeports, which one might say makes them less competitive, albeit that there are some businesses that one might not necessarily want to attract in the first place. If the Government is looking for Scottish green ports to be a success, why not do something different from what the UK is doing? Are you being prevented from doing that, or is it a Scottish Government decision?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That is very helpful. However, you quoted three definitions, and it would be good if we could boil things down to one specific definition, because, if we do not do that, it leaves room for ambiguity, which we want to reduce as we move forward.

Another issue that came up was the timescale that will be available for investors. Unite the union and David Melhuish from the Scottish Property Federation felt that five years was not long enough. Unite said that the period should be as long as possible, and David Melhuish said that it can take up to nine years for investments to come through. If we want to ensure that green ports are impactful as early as possible and that they attract as much investment as possible, is the Scottish Government thinking of extending the period beyond five years? What is the logic behind choosing five years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The question is, that motion S6M-09584 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

One of the conclusions that came from the committee’s meeting on 23 May was that efficiencies made as part of managing budgets are not a genuine reform. I am sure that you would agree with that. What role do efficiencies such as sharing data or making use of artificial intelligence and digital technologies play?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. That concludes the committee’s questions.

Item 2 is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument. I invite the minister to move motion S6M-09584.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Green Freeports Relief) (Scotland) Order 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and his colleagues for their evidence. We will publish in due course a short report to the Parliament setting out our decision on the draft order.

I suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:48 Meeting suspended.  

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That appears to have concluded the questions from the committee, but I will just point out that, ironically, the council tax was meant to be a temporary fix when it came in more than 30 years ago. One of the difficulties that we have not touched on is that, if we did have a new system, whatever that system would be, the number of appeals would run into the hundreds of thousands, because that is what happened when the council tax came in, as I remember from my days on Glasgow City Council.

David, do you want to make any points that we have not touched on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I was quite keen to have a freeport at Hunterston, in my constituency, so I will certainly support the motion. The reason for that is primarily that, if we do not get the jobs and investment in Scotland, those will simply move to south of the border. Teesside would be a major threat to jobs in this part of Scotland if it were not for the fact that Leith is one of the green ports.

Engagement is important. We have to take on board what the unions also said, which is that the City of Edinburgh Council is not engaging with them. That is a Labour-led local authority. Other political parties as well as the Scottish Government have to think more about engagement with trade unions and others.

However, I will support the motion for the pragmatic economic reason that the alternative would be a drain of jobs and money to elsewhere in the UK.

Minister, do you want to sum up before we go to the question?