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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I found it interesting that Transport Scotland was allocated an additional £22 million of funding for free travel for under-22s. That is in paragraph 17 of the guide. However, paragraph 23 states:

“£20.7 million released from Concessionary Fares … to reflect lower than expected demand”.

The net effect of that is a change of £1.3 million, of course, but it seems clumsy to say that you gave a department £22 million and then took £20.7 million off it. Would it not have been easier to explain the £1.3 million change?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Right. We will have to agree to differ on that. I do not think that that is the real reason, but we shall leave it at that. If others want to explore the issue, they can.

There remain a number of significant potential budget pressures that have not yet been fully quantified, including pay agreements for key public sector staff groups that have yet to be settled. Other than pay increases, what are the potential budget pressures?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you for that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2022 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take in private item 3, under which the committee will consider evidence that it has received on the financial memorandum to the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill?

Members indicated agreement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Item 2 is an evidence-taking session with the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care on the financial memorandum to the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. Mr Stewart is joined by the following Scottish Government officials: Donna Bell, director, social care and national care service development; and Fiona Bennett, interim deputy director for national health service, integration and social care finance. I welcome you all to the meeting and invite Mr Stewart to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Where would the third sector fit in with those shared services? We took evidence from the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland last week, and it said that it fears that additional costs would be incurred in order to meet information standards and data sharing requirements and to update software and undertake training. While noting that those costs might be modest relative to the overall scale of costs, the alliance stressed that it would be significant for individual providers and could affect the viability of third sector organisations, so there is concern that that could be an unintended consequence.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. I now open up the meeting to questions from colleagues around the table.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I call Douglas Lumsden.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Okay—thank you. Do you wish to make any final points before we wind up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. The independent review said that there was a huge level of consensus that a national care service was required to achieve consistency and quality. However, the Fraser of Allander Institute has said that the new system that is being developed is unlikely to be any better unless it is funded to be better.

There are real issues about the overall funding of the Scottish Parliament; we know what pressures we are under. Last week, we saw the Deputy First Minister reprofile some £70 million with regard to the policy. How likely is it that we will see the positive changes that you want? Can they happen without investing the sums of money that are required or without impacting on other services?