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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I will ask you about one more thing that I and committee members are a bit concerned about. Normally, capital cannot be used for day-to-day resource spending. It appears from the figures that we have been provided with that savings of around £150.1 million have been made in relation to the capital budget. Is it the intention for that to be spent on resource? Normally, money from capital is not spent in that way—for example, on salaries. We have seen money go the other way, from resource to capital, but that is not something that we see very often.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

The flexibility that you are seeking is not normally permitted. Have you had any indication of whether it will be permitted in this case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. If we look at where the ÂŁ150.1 million is drawn from, we can see that there is ÂŁ60.9 million from net zero, energy and transport and certain amounts from rural affairs and islands, social justice, housing and local government. In relation to the latter, there would be a ÂŁ10 million reduction for housing capital projects. Given the accelerating inflation in construction, which is higher than general inflation and the retail prices index, what impact would taking ÂŁ10 million from that have on the affordable housing programme?

10:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Item 3 is consideration of evidence on the Scottish Government’s continuous improvement programme and its updated complaints policy. On Friday, members received a letter from the Deputy First Minister containing additional information to inform today’s discussion. The letter and our meeting papers are available on the committee’s web pages.

We will take evidence from John Swinney, Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery. Mr Swinney is supported today by Ian Mitchell and Ashleigh Gray, who are Scottish Government officials. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite Mr Swinney to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

It is important to have objective criteria. You are absolutely right: you cannot encompass everything, but it is important to have that, because the public’s view of bullying might not be the same as that of the Scottish Government, particularly depending on how old someone is. In my younger days, bullying was only about violence and intimidation; now, of course, the perception of bullying has changed quite considerably. It has a much broader meaning, because there is a much greater understanding of psychological bullying. Of course, if someone is threatened with violence and intimidation, that is obviously psychological as well. There are other forms of bullying—for example, psychological bullying and passive aggression, which is an issue that might or might not be covered by the criteria—I would be interested in finding out whether it is. Can you give us some examples of objective criteria? I would appreciate that so that the public have a greater understanding of what you mean if you say, “Bullying was upheld because of the minister’s actions in terms of X, Y and Z.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that. A number of colleagues want to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

As colleagues have no further comments or questions, without further ado, I thank the cabinet secretary and his officials for their evidence. That concludes today’s meeting of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Thank you all for your contributions.

Meeting closed at 12:00.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

That is great. Thank you very much for that opening statement.

One thing that came up when we had a wee discussion before you arrived was the fact that the autumn budget revision and the guide are not published at the same time, which causes a wee bit of difficulty. In future, could the guide be published at the same time as the papers? That would allow members to reflect on matters a lot more easily and earlier in the process.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

We realise that, because of the political flux that there has been at Westminster, it has perhaps not been as easy to produce the figures. Perhaps there is a bit more complexity in them than one would normally expect.

We have an explanation of the technical adjustments in our papers, but, for the record, will you tell us a wee bit more about them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

But if you know how old firefighters or police officers are, surely you will have a pretty precise idea of when they will retire, generally speaking.