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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. Initially, I will touch on the comments that you have made in your opening statement. You said that there is a need for privacy and confidentiality and that the process has to be fair to both ministers and complainants, and you spoke of the importance of striking the right balance. To a large extent, that seems to be the case with regard to ministers when a minister is found against. However, I am astonished to hear that, if complaints are not upheld, the minister will still be named and the information will be published for a fixed period of six months—that is nonsense, of course, because it will be on social media for ever. How is that fair to someone? If a complaint is made about someone and it is not upheld, why should the person be named? The complainant will not be named. How is that fair to both sides if the minister is named for something that they have not done? How is that natural justice?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

No one on the committee has been a minister, but I imagine that it can be a stressful and wearying job at times. In this entire scenario, will ministers be allowed to occasionally display the normal human traits of annoyance, frustration and impatience without potentially being denounced?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Minister, in your opening statement, you mentioned the additional funds that have been allocated to, for example, social justice, housing and local government. The guide to the ABR states:

“The second largest allocation (£180 million) relates to Police and Fire Pensions which has been added to the Justice and Veterans portfolio. This is a volatile demand led budget with additional budget pressure beyond the core allocation managed in year.”

That is fair enough, but it is 6 per cent of the budget. That seems like quite a lot of money not to have been anticipated. One would have thought that police and fire pensions would be an area of spending that one could anticipate fairly early on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2022 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have apologies from Michelle Thomson, who is unwell, and Daniel Johnson, who is submitting amendments at another committee meeting.

Before I move to our first item of business, I thank all those who organised, supported, attended and participated in the joint taxation conference that was hosted yesterday by the Royal Society of Edinburgh. In what was a very interesting day, I know that committee members will have heard lots of ideas about proposals to inform our consideration of potential areas of future work on taxation. We will come back to consider those formally at a later date.

We will now take evidence from the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth on the draft Budget (Scotland) Act 2022 Amendment Regulations 2023. Mr Arthur is joined by the Scottish Government officials Niall Caldwell and Craig Maidment. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite Mr Arthur to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I really sympathise with your position and understand how frustrating it is to have the level of uncertainty that you are having to deal with.

One thing that the presentation that we have been given does not provide is a full breakdown of the Scottish Government’s funding envelope by source, nor does it reflect the full forecast position for the remainder of the year. Why is that the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I am thinking about public perception and the media perception.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Who specifically in the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Deputy First Minister, do you not feel that the phrase “not upheld” sounds more like “not proven” than “not guilty”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I could have understood such an approach 20 years ago, perhaps, but we now live in a fetid environment on social media, and the fact that a minister is named will mean that he or she will continue to be vilified. “No smoke without fire”, and all that kind of stuff, will still be said. Is that fair to a minister and his or her family? The complainant will not be named, so they will be able to continue with their work, even though they have made a complaint that is not upheld, but there will still be murk around the minister, will there not? That cannot possibly be fair and it is not balanced. That also assumes that their privacy will be protected throughout the process, but I would be shocked if it were, because leaks happen in such instances.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

That is a fair comment. Who will publish the report every six months?