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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Devine, in answer to the second question, you say,

“some of our responses to the initial consultation are now irrelevant or require further review and updating”,

and you touch on

“forthcoming legislative changes such as Deposit and Return Scheme”—

which was considered to be forthcoming at the time—

“and the Extended Producer Regulations”.

Can you see where those changes have been made and what the implications are of that for Dundee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

In your view, would that be essential to deliver the bill?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Charlie Devine from Dundee spoke about something that may also affect you in West Lothian or Ms McGuire in South Lanarkshire, which is the issue of trying to increase recycling from flats rather than from garden-gated properties. Will the bill help in delivering that, or is there an overestimate of how much waste will be collected in appropriate receptacles?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That is interesting, given that the legislation is going through.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Short of putting matches under your fingernails, I will not get a cash figure from you, Mr Devine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 26th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from Ross Greer, and I understand that Jamie Halcro Johnston is travelling and that he will be delayed.

We have one item in public on today’s agenda, which is an evidence session on the financial memorandum to the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Charlie Devine, service manager, waste partnership, Dundee City Council; Kirsty McGuire, waste manager, South Lanarkshire Council; and Jim Jack, head of operational services, West Lothian Council.

I intend to allow up to 75 minutes for this session. We have written submissions, so we will move straight to questions.

I will go to Mr Devine first because we set out a number of questions, as we do for all financial memoranda, and, unlike his colleagues, he completed the first three. We will therefore put him on the spot first. If his colleagues wish to chip in, I would, of course, be more than happy for them to do so.

You were asked to comment on the financial assumptions that were made. Dundee City Council’s submission talks about “insufficient financial detail”, and it says that the

“Scottish Government should consider the impact of additional capital and revenue costs required to implement, manage and maintain the required changes at a time of considerable budgetary pressure for”

local authorities. Can you enlighten us on what those additional capital and revenue costs would be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Back in 1980, Clare Grogan said in the film “Gregory’s Girl” that boys think in numbers. I am one of those people. Can you put some numbers on what has been said, given that the financial memorandum is all about the numbers?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The bill talks about something like ÂŁ2.95 per household for education, behavioural change and so on. Do you recognise that figure?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

It is understandable that there will be a reprioritisation of capital spend. Where economic growth can come out of that and lead to increased tax revenues for public services, that will be important. Some of the witnesses have said that, although the Scottish Government has a growth strategy, it has not been as clear as it perhaps should have been. We need to show that clarity going forward.

There was an issue that came up significantly. You touched on the Government’s three priorities. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has said that, by 2027-28, Scottish social security benefits will cost about £1.4 billion more than the Scottish Government receives in positive block grant adjustments. The difficulty is that that money has largely had to be diverted from core public services such as health, education and local government when you have a more or less fixed budget. Paradoxically, the poorest people in our society are impacted the most, because they are mostly the ones who rely on those services. Those who depend on those services are those who are being impacted. Do you accept that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thought that the Scottish child payment had lifted 90,000 children out of poverty. It has certainly had a very positive impact.