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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that brief opening statement. As is traditional, I will start with a few questions; we will then open out the session to colleagues around the table. My first question relates to one that I posed in the chamber, to which you responded on Thursday, about our estimated overspend. When you gave evidence three weeks ago, I believe that the overspend was between £200 million and £500 million. Work has obviously progressed to reduce it to around £100 million. First, how have you managed to achieve that reduction? Secondly, what steps are being taken to try and eliminate it altogether between now and the end of the financial year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I was really keen to get that on the record. I know we talk about always having to balance the budget. People might think that we can just kick things into next year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

There has been a great deal of focus on the national care service in recent days and weeks. This committee hopes to scrutinise an updated financial memorandum towards the beginning of next month, if not the end of this month. Concerns about how much of next year’s budget will be allocated to the national care service have been raised—including by members of this committee—in the chamber and beyond. Can you enlighten us a wee bit on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

John Mason has continued his Richard Lyle impression, even at the committee.

Section 1 agreed to.

Schedule 1 agreed to.

Section 2 agreed to.

Schedule 2 agreed to.

Section 3 agreed to.

Schedule 3 agreed to.

Sections 4 to 11 agreed to.

Long title agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Could we say that you are moving the accounting into next year but that the projects are still continuing, or are there are actually delays to existing projects?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thanks very much. There was a very positive and productive meeting with my local college—Ayrshire College—just last Friday.

I open the discussion to colleagues around the table, starting with Daniel Johnson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am sure that other colleagues will ask about the fiscal framework, which is why I have not done so. However, the issue is one that the committee is becoming increasingly concerned about, because we do not seem to have moved forward on it in the past year. I know that there has been a lot of chaos, given that we have had four Chancellors of the Exchequer and three Prime Ministers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Some capital projects have had to be deprioritised. I am keen to get information on which projects have been affected. I am aware of one in my constituency, for a start. Major rail projects seem to be an area in which there has been deprioritisation. However, the Scottish Government has met its commitment to expand its green investment portfolio, the target on which it has exceeded by around 15 per cent. The current figure is £3.4 billion, so there is also some good news, is there not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister for his evidence. The committee will publish its report on the SSI in the next few days.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. The next item on our agenda, which will be discussed in private, is consideration of our work programme.

10:48 Meeting continued in private until 11:07.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you, minister. I will begin with some questions and then open the session to colleagues around the table.

The committee received submissions from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and from some local authorities that have concerns about the impact on local authority housing. For example, Clackmannanshire Council said:

“Local Authorities pay LBTT and ADS on the same basis as private sector developers and land speculators”,

but noted that,

“no additional grant is available to meet the cost of this tax.”

It went on to state:

“This is in contrast to the full exemption from both LBTT and ADS that is available to Registered Social Landlords.”

Why is that exemption in place for registered social landlords, but not for local authorities?