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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Do you accept that there is an element of frustration in the committee that we will not get the financial memorandum until after stage 3 has passed? Obviously, members are keen to know how much of a commitment there is to the NCS. We know the size of the overall budget and that more than 拢1 billion extra is going into health and social care this year, but there is a focus on that specific aspect.

Last week in the chamber we heard wildly differing figures for how much it will cost over the next five years. That is partly because we do not have a real grip on the financial memorandum and exactly what it is likely to say. Any help in terms of parameters would be useful鈥攎inimums and maximums, for example.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

With that, as there are no other questions, I bring the evidence session to a close. We will have a five-minute comfort break.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Our next item is consideration of the Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill at stage 2. We have no amendments, but the standing orders oblige us to consider and agree formally to each of the bill鈥檚 sections and schedules, and its long title. We will take the sections in order, with schedules being taken immediately after the section that introduces them, and will take the long title last. Fortunately, the standing orders allow us to put a single question on groups of sections and schedules that are to be considered consecutively. Unless members disagree, that is what I propose to do.

The question is, that section 1, schedule 1, section 2, schedule 2, section 3, schedule 3, and sections 4 to 11 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Absolutely.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry, Deputy First Minister, but I am not trying to get the specifics, for the reasons that you outlined. I am trying to get parameters鈥攆or example, what is the minimum that it is likely to cost and what is the maximum? Surely the Government must be aware of that at this stage in the budget process.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That stability over such a long period has helped the Scottish Government鈥檚 policy direction whereas, south of the border, there has been incredible turmoil in energy policy, which has gone in all sorts of different directions: it has reversed and gone up, down and round about. There has been little consistency or long-term financial planning, whether we are talking about wind, solar or nuclear power. I take that on board.

My last question is about growing the tax base and productivity, which is a key area for us. You responded to the points that we made on that in our report by saying:

鈥淓conomic modelling estimates that delivery of key components of the strategy鈥濃

the national strategy for economic transformation鈥

鈥渃ould increase the size of the Scottish economy by at least 拢8 billion鈥,

which is almost 5 per cent,

鈥渕ore than it otherwise would have been in 2032.鈥

You went on to mention a network of hubs to support high-growth tech businesses, the technology sector export plan, a hydrogen innovation scheme and the low-carbon manufacturing challenge fund. However, I wonder what other components will deliver that extra 拢8 billion.

10:00  

Secondly, on ScotWind leasing, you referred to

鈥溌28 billion of potential Scottish economic activity.鈥

Over what time period will that be delivered?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Today, we will consider the budget bill at stage 2, but before we turn to formal stage 2 proceedings, we will take evidence on the Scottish Government鈥檚 response to our 鈥淏udget Scrutiny 2023-24鈥 report.

We are joined today by John Swinney, who is the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery. He is accompanied by Scottish Government officials Alison Cumming, who is the director of budget and public spending, and Lorraine King, who is the deputy director of the tax and revenues directorate. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

Members received copies of the Scottish Government response on Friday. Before we move to questions from the committee, I invite Mr Swinney to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Colleagues may wish to pursue that further.

The committee has raised a number of issues about taxation. For example, we asked when the Scottish Government plans to publish a discussion paper about tax and spending choices. The response that we got was that the rationale for that document has changed and the United Kingdom Government鈥檚 mini budget has gradually been unwound. What is the rationale? Is it because of volatility at the moment, or are there other factors to consider?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I just wanted to clarify that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

In some demand-led areas, there might be less demand than one anticipated, and it could be that taxes are a wee bit higher than was perhaps originally anticipated. What kind of projects have been delayed? What are we talking about here?