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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, I would. One broad concern that we have is that the number of inquiries in Scotland and the UK have ratcheted up over the years. It seems as though inquiries are perhaps not becoming a first resort but are perhaps not far off it in some cases. It almost becomes a go-to approach when something is not working as perhaps it should.

Will you talk us through how you feel that we have arrived at that situation, and how we can counter that? I think it is the case that no one here believes that public inquiries are not necessary. However, that does not mean that every public inquiry is necessary.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is important to acknowledge that all inquiries are unique and have different sets of circumstances, but would it be helpful if the Government took a consistent approach, with broad parameters set whereby members of the public would know whether an inquiry could and should be called for or, for example, whether what they are looking for, perhaps, is outwith the scope of a potential inquiry and that they should pursue other avenues of justice?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Does the confidence extend to the implementation of recommendations? One issue we have is that inquiries can often last years. Many people who feel that they have been the victims of an injustice look to an inquiry to deliver on their behalf. The Government takes the recommendations and says, “We will examine them”, and then years pass and they fade away.

That does not always happen—sometimes recommendations are implemented—but what is the delivery mechanism for recommendations in New Zealand? Does the Government feel almost compelled to implement recommendations, or does it take a more Australian perspective, shall we say?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

As John Mason pointed out—it was in the report that we had from Professor Dahlström—the Swedish Covid inquiry started in June 2020 and had produced a report within a matter of months. Do you feel that adopting an early approach, when a problem is building, is needed? In this country, we sometimes find that things come out of the blue—disasters can happen; I mentioned Piper Alpha earlier, for example. However, sometimes things build and build. As you said, with Covid, everyone knew that there would be an inquiry into the pandemic. Did you feel that starting that was perhaps delayed too long in Scotland and in the UK?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The public do not consider those inquiries to be particularly credible then, do they?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Dr Prasser, who spoke in the previous session, talked about some of the inquiries and royal commissions being a lawyers’ picnic—that it is almost like there is a dripping roast for the legal profession. He talked about folk becoming millionaires for chairing these royal commissions. I am wondering about the role of the legal profession in inquiries in New Zealand.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do they want to come and work over here?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We have not read your paper yet because it was emailed out only half an hour ago and we have been taking evidence. We have not had a chance to read it.

As well as a recommendation of having two years for inquiries, you talked about them staying within budget. I take it therefore that, when inquiries are set up, a budget is allocated.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The first witness we took evidence from for our work on public inquiries said that his inquiry, which looked into child abuse in Jersey, went back subsequently, a year or two later, to look at the effectiveness of the recommendations being implemented and what had changed. Is there any follow-up on what happens in New Zealand?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. I will open up the session to colleagues around the table. The first will be Liz Smith, to be followed by John Mason.