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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Alison Hosie, you say in your submission:

“Several barriers continue to limit the effectiveness of the budget process. One ... issue is the timing of engagement, which often occurs too late to allow for meaningful external contributions. By the time consultations take place, key decisions have already been made”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We try to pick up some of the areas where money is unspent in our scrutiny of the autumn and spring budget revisions, and the fact is that it tends not to be unspent; it tends to be transferred to other portfolios where there is much more pressure.

I would also note that, in 2011, the Government provided £500 million over three years for preventative spend but one of the issues and difficulties that we came up against was that there seemed to be no disinvestment in areas where expenditure had been less effective. People were obstinately spending money where they were not getting any return or any of the outcomes that one would have expected, so such approaches tended not to continue. I should say that John Mason has been messianic about preventative spend for many years—haven’t you, John?—and the committee supports its use wherever it can be implemented.

Did you want to comment, Carmen?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thanks very much, folks. I do not have anyone else down to ask questions, but I do want to give you all an opportunity to make a final point before we wind up. If there are any points that you feel that we have not touched on or that we have not touched on enough—I will let you in in a second, John—please make them now. I would like people to be able to make some final remarks.

As he opened for us, John Wood will be the last person to speak. To our other guests, I say that, if you want to make any final points on any issue in this inquiry, please do so—although you do not have to, of course.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I agree completely. Local authorities sometimes put out flyers that say, “This is how much money we raise and this is where we get it from,” because a lot of people think that the overwhelming majority of it is raised by council tax, fees, charges, grants and so on. Then they will say, “This is what we spend it on.” You see that information sporadically, and I do not know what attention is paid to it. I think that there have been efforts over many years.

Carmen, how would you suggest that we engage further with the wider population outside the parliamentary stakeholder bubble?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Who should we look to in those categories? What countries should we look to?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It would have to be relevant. The UK will have its own budget, which will have a considerable impact on what the Scottish Government will have in its own draft budget. How valuable would a pre-budget statement be in that situation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How early should the pre-budget statement be made?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Both Johns want to come in. I call John Mason, to be followed by John Wood.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I will turn to public engagement and bring in Alison Hosie and Carmen Martine, because there is quite a lot in both of your papers on that issue. Alison, you say:

“Public engagement in the budget process is growing, but significant barriers remain. Current efforts tend to focus more on consultation than genuine co-production ... Targeted outreach to marginalised communities is also vital, as these groups are often underrepresented in budget discussions.”

Can you tell us how that would work? You talk about

“a co-development model—one in which communities, civil society, and Parliament are meaningfully involved in shaping fiscal priorities before decisions are finalised.”

How would that work within the white heat of the budget process that we operate under at the moment?

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