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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The first item on our agenda is an evidence session with the Minister for Public Finance on the Budget (Scotland) Act 2025 Amendment Regulations 2025. The minister is joined by Scottish Government officials Claire Hughes, head of corporate reporting, and Craig Maidment, senior finance manager. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Hazel, in your submission, you said:

“BEFS wishes to highlight its position that not enough action is being taken in policy and practice to promote the productive reuse of vacant and derelict buildings and brownfield land, including for housing.”

Would the proposed levy be a stimulus for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Over the years, the committee has pushed for that, and I am pleased to say that there have been some changes in that regard.

Colleagues are keen to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We continue our evidence taking on the Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Hazel Johnson, director of Built Environment Forum Scotland; Anna Gardiner, senior policy adviser at Scottish Land & Estates; and Josie Sclater, senior policy officer at the Scottish Property Federation. Thank you, everyone, for your written submissions.

I refer people to my entry in the register of members’ interests.

As with the previous panel, we have approximately an hour for this evidence session, so I will move straight to questions.

Hazel, your submission is somewhat different from everyone else’s, as you say:

“An appropriate levy on future residential builds is a logical route for setting foundations to protect people from this situation, in which defects are discovered years or decades after construction, but public bodies, owners and other stakeholders do not have access to the level of resources required to deal with them.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We do not have select committees. Do you mean a parliamentary committee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It does make sense. Organisations and lawyers representing the families of victims and so on put on pressure to have judge-led inquiries because that is perceived as the gold standard. We are now in a situation whereby, if a judge does not lead an inquiry, it almost devalues it even before it starts. That is the public perception. We have heard from other witnesses how effective non-judge-led inquiries can be but, if the public is not listening to that and if the people who feel that they have been wronged and on whose behalf the inquiry is being held do not accept that, it is difficult. That does not mean that it should not be a retired judge as opposed to a judge who is serving. That would, hopefully, stop some of the bottlenecks in the court system that result from judge-led inquiries.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Fine. I am happy with that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. One of the significant points made in your report is that Government offices provide

“administrative services to commissions of inquiry. These services include fully furnished office rooms, IT and telecommunications equipment, and information and advice on administrative matters and archives”.

From our perspective, that sounds like a remarkably sensible approach, given that, often, when we have inquiries we have to reinvent the wheel. Before an inquiry can kick off, it can take many months not only to find an appropriate chair but to find premises and get a secretariat together. How impactful is that set-up on the ability in Sweden to make sure that commissions start promptly and also rein in costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Finally, although you are not allowed to compel witnesses under the Swedish system, is there a feeling that people, although not compelled to attend, generally do so? The implication is that perhaps one or two vital witnesses in the Estonian inquiry decided not to give evidence. Is that the case? One would have thought that, even though people are not compelled to attend, the general pressure would mean that they feel obliged to participate.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We move to our second panel on the cost-effectiveness of Scottish public inquiries. I welcome Wendy McGuinness, who is the chief executive of the McGuinness Institute in New Zealand. Will you tell us a wee bit about yourself, Wendy?