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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish Trades Union Congress’s evidence to the committee was that the Scottish small business bonus scheme does not necessarily work. It has been saying that for years, incidentally. When I chaired our predecessor committee between 2011 and 2016, it made the same argument when it said that the money should go directly into public services. What would you say to that, Rachel? The STUC also said that if small business bonus money is to be spent, it should be tied to fair work. What do you feel about that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes questions from committee members, but I have one or two questions to wind up. I assumed that period 1 meant quarter 1 and I know that other members of the committee also thought that. If it just means April, why does it not just say April? We are talking about transparency and that is a pretty basic thing. Just put April 2024 for period 1, and put July 2024 for period 4. We all need to talk in simple straightforward language if we are going to talk about transparency.

We have talked about this being a framework bill and there has been much discussion about primary and secondary legislation. Given the changes that we have seen in the evolution of the bill in recent months, has the balance shifted between primary and secondary legislation? Will the bulk now be primary or secondary legislation? Where has that balance moved over the past few months?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That is very helpful. I have a final question for you, before I open up to colleagues. You talked about business rates and the need to perhaps look again at them in relation to supporting the hospitality sector. Those reliefs are obviously a blunt tool, although a welcome one. What other help can the Scottish Government provide to help to grow and ensure the long-term survival and prosperity of the hospitality sector?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Sandy, where do you stand on issues such as investing public money in setting up new businesses and supporting innovation and start-ups?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

A couple of weeks ago, I attended your reception in the garden lobby, which you spoke at. It was interesting that BlackRock pointed out that it is going to increase its workforce in Edinburgh from 1,000 to 1,500. Financial services forms 13 per cent of Edinburgh’s workforce but 30 per cent of the economy, so the sector punches well above its weight. BlackRock is to employ another 500 people and, if my memory serves me, I think that it manages £10 trillion—or whatever it is—of funds. The base is strong, but we must maintain the competitive advantage.

It is important to have start-ups and to support innovation in new businesses, certainly at Rachel Cook’s end of the scale, but is it also important to ensure that larger businesses continue to grow and thrive?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Louise, hospitality’s share of the economy is smaller, but the number of people who are employed in it is larger. You have raised a number of concerns about non-domestic rates and reliefs. However, I am not really seeing any pounds, shillings and pence being applied here. It is always frustrating for us looking at finance when people tell us what needs to be done without saying what additional resources will need to go into, say, supporting the hospitality sector. You have mentioned a number of areas where it can be supported, but what additional funding is the sector looking for across Scotland and how would that be financed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

What is the tipping point that you refer to in relation to taxation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Is the FSB having discussions with the Scottish ministers about how the ÂŁ15 million entrepreneurship fund could and should be spent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That is absolutely fine; I just wanted to get your view on it and to know how important it is to you.

In your submission, you said that you want a

“more sensible approach to regulation”,

but you did not spell out what you mean by that. What devolved regulation do you think hampers small businesses in Scotland that we could try to remove or change?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

What is that balance? Is it 30:70, 20:80 or 40:60? What are we talking about?