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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Ruth Boyle, John Mason is saying that we should cut back on some areas of expenditure. What areas would you suggest?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Parity of esteem is really important and I certainly endorse your comments on that. When you gave evidence two years ago, John Mason pointed out that Glasgow University had cash assets of, I think, £770 million. Of course, you pointed out that not all universities were as well off as Glasgow was at that time. I do not know whether it is still as well off—John Mason has probably got a better grip on those accounts than I have. Surely, the university sector, at least in Glasgow, has plenty of money to invest, without seeking additional resources from a public sector, which, as we have heard, is already constrained.

12:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That was a nice cheery comment. [Laughter.]

11:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am not sure that it is on the immediate horizon, but it is something that I wanted to throw into the mix. Stuart Hay wants to come in, but Michael Marra wants to make a comment on universities first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. There is no comment on that.

Adam Stachura, I will ask you a question and put the same question to the IPPR and the Poverty Alliance. Age Scotland’s submission talks about

“fair and multi-year funding for third sector organisations”,

and says that

“comprehensive investment in the support provided by these organisations is needed.”

The submission goes on to say that

“The continued delivery of significant funding programmes and activities which connect people, such as older people’s groups, is crucial”

and that

“We would like to see appropriate resourcing to address and reduce excessive waits for healthcare”.

How much are we talking about? It is one thing to say “appropriate resourcing,” or that we need to spend more, or that we need to make a significant investment, but the committee is taking evidence on the 2024-25 budget to make an impact on the Scottish Government’s decision-making processes. What additional resources are we talking about? How, specifically, will that be funded?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Is there anything that you want to add, Philip?

12:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Professor Heald, you said that you

“do not accept that the Scottish Government has prioritised economic growth or has demonstrated a strategic approach to tax.”

Given your expertise in the area, what do you think the Government should or could do differently?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thrusting economists.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That is very helpful. You have touched on wealth taxes, which I wanted to ask about next. We will be taking evidence in a round-table meeting straight after this session, and we will be speaking to the witnesses about that issue, because a number of them have suggested that, over a relatively short time, wealth taxes could raise quite substantial sums of money, if not in the current financial year then in financial year 2025-26. What is your view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I agree, but no one tells us what we should be disinvesting from—that is the problem.

12:45