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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Excuse me, but everyone seems to be whispering all of a sudden. I do not know whether I am the only one who notices it, but it is difficult for everyone to hear. Minister and Niall, will you speak up a wee bit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

John Mason raised the issue of different councils using different coloured bins, which means that when people move from one local authority area to another, they do not realise that the bins have changed, and all the rest of it. You said that standardisation in that respect might emerge from the co-design process. Is Government’s role not to provide some leadership by saying, “This is what we want recycling in Scotland to look like in five years’ time,” and trying to steer local authorities in a certain direction? Co-design sounds great, but it also sounds kind of woolly. It is as if we are asking, “Where are we gonnae end up?” Therefore, should the Government not provide leadership on this?

Such framework bills appear to me to be something of a cop-out, frankly. We have seen that with the financial memorandum for the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. People want to know that, when they elect a Government on a manifesto, it will work to deliver that manifesto. It is all very cuddly having everyone in the big tent and all that, but it seems to me that it takes a lot longer to get anywhere and you do not even know at the start of the process where you are going to end up.

10:00  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that clarification.

I will open up the session to colleagues. The first to ask a question will be the returning stalwart, Daniel Johnson, and he will be followed by John Mason.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

A stalwart indeed. We want you back.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The saving from cups is estimated to be about £453,000 a year. Compared with the overall costs of this, that is a relatively modest figure.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I did not know that Forestry and Land Scotland and Creative Scotland, for example, were sitting on reserves before that was announced by the cabinet secretary in the chamber. It seems a bit odd, to me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I referred to paragraph 48, but my question was not about the detail of the paragraph. We have been talking about co-design and co-operation with local authorities, and I am concerned that they seem not to have been aware of where the figures came from. Clearly, there is a communication issue with regard to that.

My other question on numbers is about the £70 million that is being allocated for the recycling improvement fund. Ross Greer referred to the fund as well. We were told that, of the £70 million, £53 million is being allocated to 17 local authorities, which means that 15 local authorities have not received an allocation from the remaining £17 million. In response to John Mason, you said that £21 million has been allocated to Glasgow, which is 30 per cent of the fund going to an urban area that has roughly 10 per cent of Scotland’s population. If those figures are right, it means that only £32 million has gone to 16 local authorities, which seems quite disproportionate. Is there a reason for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I commend Glasgow for its ambition and securing 30 per cent of the fund, but it means that we have only £17 million left for 15 other local authorities. Will the Scottish Government look to top up that fund significantly, given that other local authorities are still looking at what the impact of the legislation might be and where they need to spend money to deliver their recycling targets more efficiently and effectively?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am just concerned that some local authorities might have missed the boat. Ms McVea, do you want to come in on this?

11:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The next item on our agenda is an evidence session with the Minister for Community Wealth and Public Finance on the Budget (Scotland) Act 2023 Amendment Regulations 2023. I intend to allow up to an hour for this session. The minister is joined today by Scottish Government officials Craig Maidment, who is a senior finance manager, and Niall Caldwell, who is corporate treasurer. I welcome the witnesses to the meeting.

Before I invite the minister to make a short opening statement, I would like to apologise for the fact that the previous session overran by more than 30 minutes. I certainly hope that this session will not do likewise. I apologise to the minister and his officials.

Over to you, minister, for your opening statement.