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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I would accept that, were it not for the fact that the policy, as you put it, does not seem to change year on year. That argument does not stack up if it happens five, six or seven years in a row. Although I and the committee understand that changes must be made mid-year, which is why we have the autumn and spring revisions, I do not think that it is in any way appropriate that the same resource shifts from the same budget every year. People want to be able to track where the money goes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for your evidence. Do you want to make any further points before we wind up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You were directly involved in the Jersey care inquiry, which was supposed to last six months and cost £6 million. However, it cost £23 million and took two years, so it was four times longer and more expensive than anticipated. You said that

“The cost level was in many ways ... the result of difficulty in managing the legal costs and holding the solicitors to the Inquiry to the budget.”

To what extent are legal representatives motivated to keep the cost in the budget to a minimum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thanks. I have a couple more questions before I talk about the letter.

The Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the Scottish Trades Union Congress have said that early engagement could better inform the Scottish Government’s public sector pay assumptions and could help local authorities with planning. I am sure that other colleagues will talk about that issue in some depth as we progress. Is the Scottish Government looking at engagement?

On the back of that, the committee takes a lot of evidence on the pre-budget process, and we produce a report. What impact does that have? What has the Scottish Government changed as a result of the work that is being done on pre-budget scrutiny?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Let me get this clear: your view is that the devolved Administrations are being treated with less respect or are being given less attention than UK Whitehall departments.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have just one question to finish off the session. Audit Scotland recently produced a report on the Scottish National Investment Bank. It praised the bank and said that it has generated income in excess of its operating costs, that it is “well run” and that

“It has a rigorous process for investing public funds”.

The report said that SNIB has invested some £785 million and has a return of £1.4 billion in private investment sector funding that has leveraged into that. Audit Scotland said that

“The Scottish National Investment Bank will not ... end its reliance on public funding”

unless ministers convince the UK Treasury to change its rules, which mean that the bank is unable to keep financial returns and reuse them for future investments. Audit Scotland goes on to say that there is a

“lack of flexibility around the bank’s budget”,

because of

“the barriers presented by UK Treasury rules.”

Have ministers taken action to address that with the Treasury? If so, what response have you received so far?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Independence is fundamental, as is justice not only being done but being seen to be done. However, is justice done if an inquiry takes five, 10 or 15 years? Some survivors of an incident might not still be alive after five, 10 or 15 years. One wonders whether the frustration of waiting to see justice delivered perhaps has a very deleterious effect on survivors.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes. One would think that we should also learn lessons from other jurisdictions. Similar issues happen in other places at other times, and one would think that looking at what is happening elsewhere might be better than starting afresh on every occasion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from Ross Greer.

The first item on our agenda is to take evidence from the Scottish Government on the Scottish budget process in practice. I welcome Shona Robison, Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, who is joined by Scottish Government officials Alasdair Black, deputy director, budget and fiscal co-ordination; and Jamie MacDougall, deputy director, spending and pay strategy. I intend to allow around 90 minutes for this session. Before I open up the discussion, I invite Ms Robison to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not think that it is paused; I do not think that the Estonian Government shuts down for a month while it is doing that.