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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I thank our witnesses. We have overrun our time considerably, because of the interesting questions that were asked and the very interesting responses that we received. I would normally ask the witnesses if they have any final points to make, but we do not have time for that. I therefore simply thank you, and we will now take a break until 11.35, when we will hear from our next panel.

11:31 Meeting suspended.  

11:35&苍产蝉辫;翱苍&苍产蝉辫;谤别蝉耻尘颈苍驳鈥&苍产蝉辫;&苍产蝉辫;

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The cut is not the same across the board. Some areas have significant cuts, but the budgets for other areas, such as the police, fire and the national health service, have increased in real terms.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

No one has their hand up, so I will nab someone and drag them in. Sorry鈥擨 said that nobody has their hand up and suddenly all those hands went up. I will take Martin Booth first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Hold on a second, Liz. I will bring Michael Marra in first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Liz, I will bring you in now.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Just before he answers, I add that I have been threatening to bring Howard in because Audit Scotland has made the interesting point that, since the Scottish Parliament was re-established in 1999, the number of people working in the public sector has grown from 150,000 to 245,000 full-time employees and there has been a huge increase in pay, with the deals that were agreed in 2022-23 and 2023-24 being 拢1.7 billion more than was planned. The Auditor General has said:

鈥渟ignificant reform of the public sector鈥攊ncluding its workforce鈥攊s needed to protect services over the long term鈥.

He went on to state:

鈥減ublic services in their current shape are not affordable鈥.

There are a number of areas for us to discuss. Do you want to respond to Michelle Thomson first, Howard, and we will see where we go from there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Your name is right in front of me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I have been calling Michelle 鈥淕illian鈥 for the past two years, inexplicably. I just do these things. I do apologise, Richard.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Interestingly, there has been a significant increase in the budget for digital. John Mason is next.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, and we have a UK budget coming in March. We do not know how that will impact.