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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, thank you. Let us open up the session. The first to ask questions will be Michelle Thomson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Some of the evidence that we took from witnesses suggested a kind of wonderment as to why we were even having a fiscal sustainability plan as opposed to having such a plan in the medium-term financial strategy. The Fraser of Allander Institute, for example, thought that a separate document was unnecessary. Why is such a document necessary? We frequently hear from witnesses about the plethora of plans and strategies that the Government has. Although I understand why you would have a plethora across the Government, in finance alone there always seem to be plans and strategies that do not seem to be joined up. We have received comment that greater clarity on how the strategies join up would be good. Even better would be if there were one overarching strategy that incorporated everything, as opposed to all the different plans and strategies that seem to run in different directions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Timeframes are really important—that is what I was going to ask you about next. We hear from the Government about plans for reform, but we do not necessarily get detail on what is to be reformed and by which date. It seems to be a moveable feast. I was thinking about my tax return—the reason why I filed it at the end of January is because the deadline is the end of January; if it were the end of February, I would probably do it then, because there is always something else to do. Not having deadlines means that things drift, and we have seen such drift quite consistently. Documents that are due never seem to arrive ahead of or on time—there always seems to be some drift in that. That is the same with the medium-term financial strategy.

Something that has also come up is that, when the Scottish budget is delivered, there does not seem to be detail on the outcomes that it is trying to achieve. It is a two-dimensional document in which we see the figures in certain portfolios either going up, staying the same or going down across the years, but we do not see what the Government is trying to achieve. You valiantly try to put that on the record in a 20 or 30-minute statement, but you cannot possibly get all that detail in.

09:45  

I do not think that anyone wants to see a 500-page document—140 pages is sufficient—but there is room for more detail on outcomes. In particular, there is room to link the budget to the national performance framework to see how it ties in, because there is a view that the two do not seem to correlate as well as they perhaps should.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We should maybe revisit that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Great stuff. I hope that it does not clash with our away days on 26 and 27 August, but there you go. We will certainly ask you about that in the not-too-distant future.

As a committee, we will consider the evidence that we have received and, next month, we will publish a report on the Scottish budget in practice.

We will take a five-minute break, now, to allow for a change of witnesses.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence on the cost-effectiveness of Scottish public inquiries. I am pleased that we are joined by Ross Greer. Ross had the difficult job of being in two places at once this morning, but it is great that he is with us for this session.

This is our first evidence session in our inquiry. As stated in the committee papers, our aim is to foster greater understanding of the current position with public inquiries in Scotland; to enhance clarity around the purpose, framework and decision-making process for establishing public inquiries and their terms of reference; to ascertain whether public inquiries deliver value for money; and to identify any examples of good practice or alternatives to the current model. However, we will not make recommendations on the merits, or otherwise, of individual Scottish Government decisions on whether to hold a specific public inquiry, or on recommendations made by individual public inquiries.

I am delighted to welcome to the meeting Professor Sandy Cameron CBE. Professor Cameron, we have your fascinating and thought-provoking written submission, so we will move straight to questions. I have to say that your submission is a bit of a showstopper. It is short, sharp and certainly to the point, so let us get into it. You said that you can

“confidently predict that ... inquiries will last longer than anticipated and cost more than budgeted for.”

Why is it that inquiries always seem to overrun, both in cost and time?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

On the medium-term financial strategy, we understood in January that, when the date of the UK spending review was set, the medium-term financial strategy would be published, too. We were quite surprised that there was a change to that date. In your letter, you say that the reason for that is that the UK Government has not worked closely with the Scottish Government, despite its assertions that it would do so and would reset the relationship between the two Governments, moving away from the relationship that existed under the previous UK Government. You specifically mentioned the Chief Secretary for the Treasury and his lack of engagement with the devolved Parliaments. Could you say more about that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

A steer, basically.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The committee has written to the CST about our engagement with him, so I understand where you are on that.

Colleagues will have questions about this matter in relation to the wider issues that we are deliberating on this morning, so this is my last question on it. In your letter to the committee, you said:

“The Prime Minister’s announcement on the prioritisation of defence spending was a significant development, which came after my original decision on the date of the MTFS”.

What about the statement in March? Is that likely to have much impact?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I will open up the evidence session to committee members. Michael Marra is first.