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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do not worry—I will give you all an opportunity to make a final point at the end. I always do that, just in case we have missed anything out. That will be your opportunity.

My next question is for Mr Clancy. My colleague Michelle Thomson talked about conflict of interest. Is it appropriate for a legal firm that is involved in a public inquiry to go to the media asking for that inquiry, in which it has a direct pecuniary interest, to be deepened and broadened?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that helpful opening statement.

I have to say that it is quite difficult for the committee to have confidence in the figures that the Scottish Government provides when we were given a set of figures last week and already—only this morning, in fact—they have been altered quite substantially.

In the letter that you sent to the committee this morning, the figures in the “Information, advice and advocacy” and “Carer’s Breaks” rows have been revised downwards, so the totals now range from £97.1 million to £160.9 million. Previously the range was between £114.2 million and £189.6 million. I understand the reasons that you gave in your letter for those revisions, but these projections go up to 2032 and the figures have already been changed since we were issued with the papers, only last Thursday.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The central point remains, though: how can the committee have faith in the Scottish Government’s projection of figures? We received the original financial memorandum in June 2022 and an updated one in December 2023, but they have been altered monumentally in the time that has passed since. How can we be confident that this is where we actually are and that this is the way that we will go?

Regardless of that, there are still huge differences—we are still talking about the difference between £97.1 million and £160.9 million in one area alone. Those are huge variations in cost.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I appreciate your commitment to transparency. However, the committee is keen to look at this again, because there is virtually no resemblance between the bill as it was when it was first presented to us, in 2022, and the bill as it is now. It has been monumentally changed, which is why we have to look at it, given the amount of public money that we are talking about.

The supplementary FM says:

“At this stage it is not possible to provide a position on the total cost or how the costs will be phased.”

That uncertainty is a cause for concern.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

To make the changes that you have just discussed, how much are we looking at?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for your very helpful evidence. We will now take a break until 10 o’clock, to allow for a changeover of witnesses before we move on to our next agenda item.

09:56 Meeting suspended.  

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am familiar with it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is clear that the terms of reference were different, but how long people have to wait for justice is also an issue. People wait year after year, and many die waiting for these things to conclude.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Once you get to the end of the process, you get the recommendations. Ms Dunlop, would the Faculty of Advocates like to see any changes to the UK’s legislative framework in order to make recommendations more impactful? Are there any other areas in which you feel that the legislation could perhaps be tweaked in order to deliver more for the people whom the inquiries are set up for?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Dr Ireton suggested that serving such letters should be at the chair’s discretion, rather than being mandatory.