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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes questions from the committee. It is interesting to see the huge amount of money that this is going to cost, given that Scotland produces 0.1 per cent of the world’s emissions and oil production currently stands at 108.6 million barrels per day. It really is a global issue, and we can but play a part in resolving it.

Professor Roy, do you or your team wish to convey any further points to the committee before we conclude?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, they are very low amounts, but, cumulatively, they can become large amounts and they must come out of somebody’s budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

There is a net zero portfolio in the draft budget, but we do not really have anything in the other portfolio sections that looks specifically at climate mitigation.

You talked about public and private sector costs. Interestingly, figure 3.3 on page 33 of your document shows that about 30 per cent of the total cost of capital investment required on the balanced pathway from 2020 to 2050 is in private sector electricity supply; the figure is 20 times greater than the figure for public sector electricity supply. That is not only 30 per cent of the total cost—it is also reserved, which shows the difference in the interaction.

That graph is quite interesting, because if we look at the total costs for the devolved sectors, we see that almost half of those in Scotland are public sector costs, but less than one tenth are reserved sector costs. Does that make you think that the public sector in Scotland has to take a greater lead than it is currently doing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

It is groundhog day for the committee. Paragraph 33 of the memorandum says:

“Many of the Bill’s provisions will require secondary legislation to be fully implemented.”

Why are those provisions not being included in primary legislation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I have one more question before I open it up to colleagues around the table. When can we expect an updated financial memorandum with more accurate costings?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

But that would be unacceptable to the committee, so when can we have it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

You say in paragraph 33 that

“it is not possible to provide a full assessment of costs or savings until the regulations have been agreed”,

but in table 1 you give a figure of ÂŁ1,414,474. You put quite precise figures into the table, despite the fact that, as you have admitted, the figures do not bear any real relation to what the costs will be. It seems very odd to be so precise in a document that is so imprecise.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, indeed. There is 43 per cent public share in Scotland, which is quite a lot.

Colleagues want to come in, so I will ask a final question, which is regarding the offshore energy industry. Forty-three per cent of UK oil and gas jobs are located in Scotland, so what challenges does that present for moving to a just transition and net zero?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Why has it not been updated before now?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Definitions are also important. You have said:

“The UK and Scottish Governments should articulate their plans on how to achieve net zero and what level of public spending will be required.”

You go on to say:

“We recommend that spend on mitigation and adaptation be identifiable in budget documentation and outturn so that spending plans can be linked to delivered spending.”

How do we define what is spent on climate mitigation? There is a temptation for people to say that a job is a green job when it may be somewhat more tenuous to another eye, for example. Do you think that there must be agreement between Scotland and the UK on the language that is used, so that they are not talking about different things when looking at those aspects?