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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That thread of shared endeavour runs right through the entire report. One example is the issue of flooding. The recent flooding in Angus cost the Scottish Government £15 million through the Bellwin scheme, whereas the flooding that the UK Government dealt with south of the border cost £10 million, and, as a result, there was only a £1 million consequential. Therefore, there could be disproportion. Of course, that could work the other way, as you have pointed out in the report. There could be an incident affecting only some parts of the UK, and Scotland would get a Barnett consequential even though it was not impacted. There needs to be a bit more flexibility in that respect.

Prior to the update of the fiscal framework, we had the concept of a Scottish economic shock. Obviously, that has now been removed, but should there be something along the lines of, say, a climate shock? Instead of our having to deal with the sort of example that I have just given, with approaches to flooding being enacted in such a way, could we have something more climate focused?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, but how did you come to the figures that you have in the financial memorandum before Police Scotland made its submission, given the fact that you say that you are so heavily reliant on what it has provided?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

What about global decisions? The United Nations climate change conference of the parties meets year in, year out. There is always an element of dismay that it does not go far enough, but what are the implications for decisions that are made at an international level?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Ah—I thought that I would catch you out there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, they are very low amounts, but, cumulatively, they can become large amounts and they must come out of somebody’s budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

There is a net zero portfolio in the draft budget, but we do not really have anything in the other portfolio sections that looks specifically at climate mitigation.

You talked about public and private sector costs. Interestingly, figure 3.3 on page 33 of your document shows that about 30 per cent of the total cost of capital investment required on the balanced pathway from 2020 to 2050 is in private sector electricity supply; the figure is 20 times greater than the figure for public sector electricity supply. That is not only 30 per cent of the total cost—it is also reserved, which shows the difference in the interaction.

That graph is quite interesting, because if we look at the total costs for the devolved sectors, we see that almost half of those in Scotland are public sector costs, but less than one tenth are reserved sector costs. Does that make you think that the public sector in Scotland has to take a greater lead than it is currently doing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

It is about consistency across financial memorandums.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

So, when the draft budget is published every year, we would hope to see something like that, from a Scottish perspective.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Paragraph 27 of the financial memorandum says:

“The figures contained within this Financial Memorandum are the Scottish Government’s best estimates of the costs of the provisions of the Bill”.

Clearly, that is not the case, is it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that the oil and gas sector accounts for one in 200 jobs in the UK and one in every 30 in Scotland, but what share of taxation comes from that sector?