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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

One of the things that I found interesting with regard to the submissions that we received—distinct from the report—is that a lot of the existing commissioners are not too enthusiastic about additional commissioners. For example, the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland said:

“the proliferation of Commissioners offices will be a costly exercise and may not provide good value for money for taxpayers, especially if there are multiple bodies tasked with intervening on similar or identical matters.”

Did you find in your research that there was something of a resistance from the commissioners and those bodies to extending remits to more commissioners?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, I will try not to stray too far from your research then—although it is tempting. I will ask you just a couple more questions.

A commissioner is restricted to three to five years in post and then another commissioner replaces them. However, I did not see anything in your research—let me know if I have missed it—about sunset clauses. When a commissioner sets up, and once they are in existence, I would expect there to be lots of energy and enthusiasm—they might think, “Oh, there’s things that we’ve wanted to do for the last 10 years, now we’ve got a commissioner, we can press ahead and do it” and so on. However, one would think that a lot of what they would hope to deliver might start to tail off. Might there be an argument therefore for a sunset clause so that, for example, when a commissioner steps down and retires, the question whether that body should continue if it has completed its tasks, or, indeed, whether a new commissioner should be appointed, should be looked at?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I did not think that you would be able to, but I thought that it was worth a punt. Let us open up the questions to colleagues.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 13th meeting in 2024 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from Ross Greer.

The first item on our agenda is to take evidence as part of our inquiry into Scotland’s commissioner landscape. We are joined online by Katy MacMillan, the director of Research Scotland. I welcome her to the meeting and invite her to make an opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that helpful introduction.

I notice that you interviewed five of the commissioners in Scotland. Why did you decide not to interview all seven in Scotland to ensure that all views were heard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Page 55 of your report, which you have touched on there, is really important because it looks at how commissioners are not the only game in town. One could argue that organisations are looking for specific improved outcomes, and perhaps people see commissioners as a way of getting there more easily than constantly having to battle for additional resources. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

One of the issues is that the role of commissioners seems to develop in different ways. Is there an argument for having a much more coherent approach to the development and creation of new commissioners?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, they have certainly all had increases in their resources in the current financial year, not least for staffing.

One of the issues for this committee is scrutiny by the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. In the responses that the committee has received—I am not going to quote any of those submissions because you probably will not have seen them—the commissioners all seem to feel that they are being sufficiently scrutinised. My understanding is that only one and a half, or possibly two, members of Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body staff are dedicated to scrutinising them. Are you familiar with the level of scrutiny? They all seem to be marking their own homework and saying, “Aye, the scrutiny that we are receiving is excellent.” Do you want to comment on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will finish with one issue that came up in your report. On page 13, you said:

“In Scotland there is a range of commissions and commissioners. However, there is very little published research on commissioners, and no handbook or blueprint within government for designing the role.”

Do you think that there should be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for giving your evidence. We will continue taking evidence for our inquiry into Scotland’s commissioner landscape at our next meeting, on Tuesday 23 April. Before that, we will discuss aspects of the issue in a private session.

As that was the only item on our agenda, I close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 10:28.