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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

You do not think that that could be more efficiently and effectively done under one umbrella.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

What about you, Brian?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I know鈥攅xactly.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much, that has concluded the questions from the committee. Thank you very much for the evidence that you have given this morning. We will continue with our next panel of witnesses and beyond. I will call a break until 5 to 11.

10:47 Meeting suspended.  

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Welcome back, folks. We will continue taking evidence for our inquiry into Scotland鈥檚 commissioner landscape. I welcome Nicola Killean, Children and Young People鈥檚 Commissioner Scotland; Dr Claire Methven O鈥橞rien, commissioner, and Jan Savage, executive director, from the Scottish Human Rights Commission; and Rosemary Agnew, Scottish Public Services Ombudsman. I intend to allow about 90 minutes for this session.

I will begin by asking about duplication, because in your submissions鈥攖hey are excellent and are of a very high standard鈥攖he issue of duplication runs throughout. It is important to start with an issue that you have all highlighted. I will go to Nicola Killean first; others can respond subsequently. Your submission said:

鈥淲e have a statutory duty to avoid duplicating the work of others as far as is practical. We already have overlapping remits with other Commissioners and Commissions and other statutory bodies such as regulators, inspectorates and ombudsmen. We strongly recommend that parliament makes it a key priority to ensure that any new offices do not further limit the remit of existing offices or create more complexity for children and young people.鈥

Will you talk us through that a wee bit? Where do you feel that there is duplication with other organisations? Which organisations are they?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Do you have concerns about particular bodies?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The same argument could be made for a parliamentary term. In five years do we rush to achieve things within a short time? Every member around this table faces a sunset clause every five years and some of us face it more frequently than that, in a different form.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is very interesting. Thank you for that.

Okay, folks鈥攖hat concludes this evidence session. I thank everyone for their evidence. We will continue our deliberations next week. I call a brief break until 12.20, so that our guests and the public can leave before we go into private session.

12:17 Meeting continued in private until 12:33.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

In your opening statement, you talked about the importance of improving outcomes. In its submission, Alzheimer Scotland said:

鈥淭he financial cost of this changing landscape must be considered against improved outcomes鈥.

Through your research, have you identified whether commissioners have been able to deliver improved outcomes for those for whom they are advocating? If so, can you give an example or two?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I was not originally intending to ask that question but, because you mentioned outcomes in your opening statement, I thought that I would throw it out there. Ultimately, improving outcomes is what commissioners are trying to do. The whole purpose of them is to look at outcomes, and there is a concern about the lack of overall research, so it is important that we ascertain whether commissioners are delivering better outcomes than would be the case if they did not exist and whether there are other ways in which organisations and individuals could be assisted.