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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I said that that would be my final question, but I want to ask one more. When is that process likely to conclude?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is interesting.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

In the great scheme of things, it will not be decisive on 4 July. Maybe I am wrong about that鈥攜ou never know.

We have looked at the commissioner landscape quite extensively. Last week, we took evidence from the SPCB, which seems to be of the view that it does not have the remit or the capacity to hold commissioners properly to account. There was a feeling鈥擨 do not know whether my colleagues felt it, but I certainly did; it was palpable鈥攐f exasperation among SPCB members, because their responsibilities in this area are growing, and they do not feel that they have the ability to do it justice. Where do you see the SPCB鈥檚 role in relation to the commissioner landscape lying in the future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is interesting, because it seems to me that, if there is an advocacy commissioner, an organisation basically advocates through them, instead of advocating directly with ministers or the Parliament. Essentially, that post just adds a middleman. Do you think that that is a fair assessment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am talking about both.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Does the Government have a view on why organisations are proposing commissioners, whether for older people or neurodivergent people? It has been suggested to us that that is because of a systemic lack of service delivery or because ministers are not giving enough attention to a specific area. Obviously, that is an indictment of Government. Does the Government have a view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 19th meeting in 2024 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have apologies from Ross Greer, in whose stead we have Patrick Harvie. Do you have any declarations to make, Patrick?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. I am sure that you are well aware that we have taken extensive evidence already, but I am keen to get the SPCB鈥檚 view, because you are key to the whole discussion. Do you agree that the proposals to establish commissioners are driven by a perception of systemic failure and malfunctions in the system? If so, does the SPCB have any view on ways of addressing those systemic failures other than by establishing commissioners?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I just want to get an idea of what scrutiny means with regard to commissioners.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I have a final question about the existing commissioner landscape. We took evidence from some commissioners, and there seemed to be a kind of drawbridge mentality along the lines of 鈥淥ur commission鈥檚 great, actually. In fact, we need more resources and more powers, and we don鈥檛 think there should be any more commissioners鈥濃攁nd it was then a case of them pulling up the drawbridge behind them. There is an element of tension between the commissions themselves, certainly when it comes to new commissioners.

We have discussed rapporteurs for the Scottish Human Rights Commission. How clear are you about the efficiency and effectiveness of the delivery of the Scottish Human Rights Commission鈥檚 remit? Do you feel that that commission is in a position where it can proceed with rapporteurs, should resources be made available, or do you think that it must do more to ensure a more effective and efficient delivery of what it is already responsible for?