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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

We continue our evidence taking on “Managing Scotland’s Public Finances: A Strategic Approach”. I welcome our second panel: Vikki Manson, deputy head of policy at the Federation of Small Businesses Scotland; David Lonsdale, director of the Scottish Retail Consortium; and David Lott, deputy director for funding, reform and accountability at Universities Scotland.

I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for this session. If our witnesses would like to be brought into the discussion at any point, they should indicate that to the clerk and I will then call them. We have already seen your written submissions, so we will move straight to questions. The first question is a bit of a strange one. I thought that the answer to it might be just a wee bit different from the answers to the questions that we have been asking so far. It is one for you, Ms Manson. You said that

“there have been consultations published proposing changes on a number of different areas”,

and you raised concerns about the level of consultation that has been embarked upon. Will you comment on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Are you looking for a 3 per cent increase or three percentage points of increase?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The former or the latter?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Is that all? That is not incredibly ambitious.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

What does 3 per cent represent in cash terms, and what private sector investment would that bring in over, say, five years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I wonder how difficult it is going to be to find a joiner, a plumber or an electrician in Australia in 2050 if they move to 80 per cent of the workforce going into tertiary education.

I call John Mason, to be followed by Michelle Thomson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Vikki, you have said:

“To enable the economy to grow, it is critical that support is given to the small businesses who make up almost all enterprises”.

You have mentioned

“the reintroduction of targeted reliefs for the retail, hospitality, and leisure sector.”

We know that £685 million is going into rates relief across the board this year but, given that the Scottish Government is under severe pressure with its budget, which is more or less fixed—unless we put taxes up, which no one seems keen on at this point, apart from John Mason—and given what we heard from David Lott, who said that £10 million or £15 million of additional funding for research could perhaps bring in eight times that amount in economic activity, should scarce money not go to that sector to create greater innovation, productivity and output, rather than to small businesses, for example, if there is additional money available? That is the kind of question that the Government is wrestling with, so what would you say in response to that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The commission has made it clear that it believes that we should have short, medium and long-term financial projections in any case, whether we have multiyear pay settlements or not. Is that not the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Or higher taxes. Thanks very much. Do you want to make any further points before we wind up the meeting?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That would be proportionately less for Scotland.