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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

The Scottish National Investment Bank looks at propositions that are designed to create economic and employment benefits within Scotland as a consequence of their activities. They might not be uniquely concentrated in Scotland, because companies operate in a far wider context. I highlighted the £50 million investment in North Star. I suspect that not all of that money will be spent uniquely in Scotland, because of the nature of that company’s activities.

I assure the committee that we expect the Scottish National Investment Bank to assess the business case for an investment and what the returns are likely to be, because there must be a return.

However, there is, on my part, an acceptance—which I would prefer was not the case, but I have to live in the real world—that some investments might not be successful. That has always been part and parcel of the issues that we have wrestled with in relation to Scottish Enterprise. Some of the investments that it makes do fantastically well, but others do not do so well. We have to look at things in the round. I remember an early conversation that I had, when I became a minister many years ago, with the leader of Scottish Enterprise, who wanted to go through some of the challenges with me so that I would be aware that I might have to defend investment that was not successful. I accept that; the quid pro quo is that other investments must be successful, to balance that out.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

That option is available to me, but it is very much conditional on the wider pressures on the public finances and the programmes that we would be expected to fund and support. Financial transactions are really quite appropriate as a mechanism for securing investment in the Scottish National Investment Bank. The nature of the repayment that is required for financial transactions leads them to be appropriate in relation to issues that Mr Simpson raised with me about the need for recognition of the importance of getting a return. The mechanism is appropriate at this time, but there is a wider agenda about the regulatory strength of the Scottish National Investment Bank. It is pursuing steps in developing the critical foundations for the bank to take forward its investment activities.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

I cannot quite think what the date was, but it would have been in the autumn.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

I will take that point away. I accept the point that Mr Simpson is making, and I think that there should be transparency over these questions. If there are any issues that need to be addressed there, I will address them.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

Ellis Watson is providing specific advice to the First Minister to enable the Government’s engagement with the business community. It is a slightly different type of role from the one that Mark Logan is undertaking; it is essentially about ensuring that the Government is able to hear and engage with the wider business community, communicating directly with the First Minister by using the skills of Ellis Watson.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

My answer to the last part of Michelle Thomson’s question is yes. We should have bold ambitions here. We are not realising the potential of the Scottish economy and Scottish society because we have such a difference in the levels of participation in entrepreneurship between women and men. We have to confront that issue. That is why we commissioned Ana Stewart to undertake an independent review of that question. From that will flow the specific interventions that we will have to undertake to address the ambitions that Michelle Thomson puts to me. I want to ensure that the steps that we take in response to Ana Stewart’s review are commensurate with realising those ambitions.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

I am sure that you will. I recognise the significance of the question and ministers should come back to the committee to explain in greater detail where we are heading as a consequence of that activity.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

I absolutely recognise how tough things are out there. I hear that in my constituency caseload and also engage much more widely with the economy, so I, of course, recognise that. I have tried to address the issues that are put to me by a number of organisations. As I said earlier, 16 business organisations asked me to freeze the business rates poundage, and I have done that, but that does not come without a cost. It is estimated to be a saving to taxpayers of about ÂŁ308 million. About half of all retail hospitality and leisure businesses will be eligible for 100 per cent small business bonus relief, so a very big part of that sector will be relieved of that pressure.

Obviously, we rely on the UK Government to come forward on some of the issues that are forcing the increase in costs for business, and energy costs are probably the biggest factor of change in businesses’ cost base. I hope that the successor scheme that will take effect in March is able to support businesses to the extent that they need. I would point out that, in a tough budget settlement, all of the agencies are actually seeing modest increases in the resources that are available to them.

In short, I feel as if I have done as much as I can within the resources that are available to me to help those sectors out, but I appreciate that they face tough times.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

The increase in expenditure is designed to support the increased international activity of the Scottish economy, and to ensure that we are able to assist companies with that activity. Obviously, that has become more challenging because of Brexit, which highlights the importance of us supporting activity that will enable companies to trade internationally. We will periodically review the focus and emphasis of that strategy.

It is very much like the agenda that Ivan McKee takes forward on the Government’s behalf. We have no immediate plans to revise that strategy, but we keep it under review, and if there are any updates, we can certainly share those with the committee.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

John Swinney

What the national strategy is designed to do, and its objective, is consistent with previous ventures: it seeks to give a clear distillation of the Government’s agenda. We are looking to a variety of organisations that contribute to the economic direction of Scotland to ensure that we can realise those ambitions.

The strategy focuses on a range of major themes, including entrepreneurship, market opportunities, the regional dimension of economic policy, skills, the creation of a fairer and more equal society, and—crucially—the concept of delivery and ensuring that we turn our aspirations into practical reality.

The key focus of the strategy that is perhaps different is that it comes at a moment when our economy has to make a substantial change in its profile and focus on moving towards net zero. In a sense, looking back on the strategies over the past 10 or 20 years, we see that there was not the same imperative to change the focus of the economy. The current document and the delivery plans assist in giving a clear idea of how the Government intends to do that, and how we intend to engage organisations in that endeavour.