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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

They achieved a change in policy on the part of the Scottish Government.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

I have one final question. Let us fast forward to 2024 and look at the situation now. As of yesterday, there is a minority Government, with 122 成人快手 representing parties that favour the dualling of the A9 and seven 成人快手 representing a single party that is opposed to dualling the A9. Do you think that that will accelerate the completion of the dualling of the A9? Would that be a realistic and achievable objective, should the new First Minister so determine?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

Good morning. In the evidence that we took from Alex Neil last October, which you mentioned that you have read, he said that money was not the problem. In fact, he said that there was an assessment of the budget and that

鈥溌14.7 billion of capital was not allocated to any project ... between 2015 and 2030.鈥濃擺Official Report, Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee, 4 October 2023; c 13.]

We are trying to find out why the target of 2025 for dualling the A9 was not achieved. Was it lack of money, lack of political will or lack of the right companies willing to do the work, or was it a combination of all those things? As the convener said, I do not think that we really feel that we have quite got to the bottom of that yet, although we have had a lot of useful evidence.

You described the Cabinet meeting that took place in Inverness. Will you talk us through who was involved and how the decision was made that the A9 would be given priority, and that the funding was available? Which people in the Cabinet were involved? Are you able to say, without breaching any rules of protocol, if there were any doubting voices from any of your cabinet secretaries, who urged caution, or not? It would be helpful to get the background to understand how you and your Cabinet saw the funding issue at that time.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

Finally, you mentioned鈥攚ell, the convener described鈥攖he business team that you had, which was you, Alex Neil, John Swinney and Jim Mather. Did they all remain absolute supporters of the project? Did the finance secretary have any questions or doubts about the affordability or viability of the project during your tenure as First Minister?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

I echo Edward Mountain鈥檚 sentiments about safety.

I take the former First Minister back to something that he remarked on鈥攏amely, that people might not understand the scale of the planned public and private investment in the Highlands and in Aberdeen and the north-east over the next 10 to 20 years. In the Highlands, over the next 10 years, investment of 拢40 billion or 拢50 billion will be made in the grid, renewables, pump storage, water, roads and so on. All of that will involve potentially thousands鈥攑ossibly tens of thousands鈥攐f jobs over 10, 20 and 30 years.

What impact would there be on Scotland realising its potential, especially in renewables, were the slow pace鈥攖he snail鈥檚 pace鈥攊n dualling the A9, with zero progress on the A96, to continue? If that pace remains for the next 10 years, what impact will that failure have on the ability to realise the potential that could transform Scotland鈥檚 economy over the next couple of decades?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

Thank you.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

You mentioned that you had to implement pre-existing commitments from the previous Administration, such as, I think, the trams in Edinburgh. Therefore, in your early years from 2007, the capital budget was substantially committed in advance to see through what had been either started or committed to. Is that right?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

In 2011, the estimated cost of both the Highland roads projects together was 拢6 billion, out of 拢14 billion or 拢15 billion of capital, so it looks as if the availability of capital was not the issue at that point.

Possibly a more difficult question is whether enough was done in the three years between 2011 and the end of your time as First Minister, in 2014, to advance the project. What would you say to those who might say that more could have been done during that period? Would there be any merit in such a claim?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

A9 Dualling Project

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

Indeed. Getting back to the A9, I note that Alex Neil said that around 拢15 billion of capital was not allocated鈥攖hat was estimated in an exercise that was carried out in 2011, I think鈥攁nd that the figure for dualling both the A9 and A96 was estimated at 拢6 billion. It was clearly affordable within the 拢15 billion figure.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Fergus Ewing

Convener, that reply is as much as I could reasonably ask of any minister, so I am grateful for it. Minister, if you want a useful form of words to ensure that you are never really on any particular hook as to the timescale within which you do something, the legal terminology is, 鈥淲e will do it on or around between X.鈥