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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

On simplification of the tax system and ensuring that people can understand it, including the different tax bands as well as what is devolved and what is reserved, the tax advisory group discussed that issue on more than one occasion. Obviously, in Scotland, we have a different bands system. I would argue strongly that the system here is more progressive, but I accept that it is more complex. Therefore, it is even more important that people are made aware of the fact that it is a different system. As I said earlier, greater awareness is likely to ensure closer compliance.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

It is no secret that I, along with my Government colleagues, believe that Scotland would be better served if we were able to make decisions on all aspects here, because we would have levers that we do not currently control and would be able to make decisions that we cannot currently make. That is a point of principle. Our position for more than a decade has been that that is what we would pursue, short of independence.

On the idea of incremental gains, one reason why I was keen to have a more fundamental review of the fiscal framework was to recognise the limitations. We are unable to respond to headwinds and events, such as a global pandemic or a war in Europe, as we would want to, because we are very constrained by the current fiscal framework. My assertion, and the Government’s, is that we would be better served by having a full range of fiscal levers at our disposal. The point that I made to Michael Marra was that the detail of what that might look like would be the result of the work that we would do as part of any review of the fiscal framework, but that door is not open at the moment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

None of that takes account of the use of levers; it is all predicated on the current constitutional arrangements. The GERS position is, in essence, a failure of the current system when we should be looking at having a different system and at how those levers could be used. We can debate that—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

I am not in a position to sack anyone, because that is not what ministers do—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

When you use the term “spin doctors”, I think that it is in reference to the entire communications staff across every public sector organisation. I will write back to the committee on that. The special advisers take up a couple of desks in the office on the fourth floor of the Parliament. The idea that there is an army of hundreds of them is not the case—no way. I think that that figure captures every communication officer in every public body in every part of the public sector, including every NHS board and probably local government, too, in order to make it a big figure. If your question to me is about what the value of those roles is, I think that it is important that there is communication from our public organisations, not least the NHS. Public organisations must have an effective way of communicating, and that is what the people concerned are tasked with doing.

There is a challenge in making sure that we are able to sustain our public services and that we prioritise and make our front-line public services sustainable. Without getting too far ahead of what will be set out regarding the workforce and the public sector in the reform programme, that will inevitably mean changes to how things are delivered. The use of technology and digital will help us in our ambitions to make those changes, but some support functions will look different over the next few years. That will all be set out in due course as part of those plans.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

We do not collect the costs in that way, but it is clearly inefficient to have to go backwards and forwards to extract information. The protocol was probably an attempt to streamline the process and have an agreement that could help to move that forward. We are pleased that we got that, but it is then about the custom and practice. You would have thought that it would have been good for the same time, effort and priority to be given to a sit-down negotiation with each of the devolved Administrations, rather than our having to negotiate and spend all that time with Whitehall departments. By and large, our budget will be set by the fallout from that.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

It is inefficient, and I will tell you about another thing that is inefficient. We offered to work with the UK Government around some of the economic opportunities. At the meeting that was not the FISC, I made the point that, if we aligned our economic energies and efforts—and, sometimes, our funding—so that they faced in the same direction, we could get a lot more out of that. For example, the Scottish National Investment Bank should be able to access the National Wealth Fund, rather than being the recipient of decisions that are made elsewhere. How could we align and agree to get more bang for the bucks from the investments that we are making? That was our offer.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

I am always up for discussion about how further progress can be made and am keen to engage further on the detail of some of the areas that you have raised.

The only point that I would make about in-year transfers is one that I have made before. Policy direction quite often sits in one area while delivery sits in another so that, say, a policy could be set by education but delivered by local government. That is one example—there are many others. There is then a tension between the policy and its delivery. If all the money is transferred at the start, where does that leave policy decisions in that area of Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

The aim of the fiscal sustainability delivery plan is to bring all the component parts across Government into one place, where we will set out actions and the pillars of the plan so that the Parliament, the committee and external stakeholders can see it all and track its delivery. It is an attempt to make that information more transparent and accessible. I will be able to set out our suggested review processes. The plan will, clearly, be linked to the MTFS but it will focus on the how and the what, and we will be able to put some timeframes against the delivery of the actions that we need to take.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Shona Robison

We will keep you informed of any substantial developments.