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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

No, I do not think that that is the focus. Again, however, we can come back to the committee with more detail on the timeframe and the scope of the review.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

I could probably spend a good half hour talking about local government finance, and we had a long discussion at the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee on Tuesday about that. Suffice it to say that, in the context of total Barnett consequentials being only 拢800 million, the 拢570 million that has been allocated to local government is tough and challenging for local authorities, but, in that context, perhaps that is not an unreasonable settlement.

The Accounts Commission verified that figure of 拢570 million. It also pointed to reserves and said that local authorities should keep under constant review priorities for the use of those reserves. Some decisions around the priorities of individual local authorities might have been taken some time ago, and, in the midst of a cost of living crisis, those should always be kept under review.

The other thing that the Accounts Commission pointed to was reform. I mentioned the need for us all to look across the public sector, particularly in relation to years 3 and 4 of this budgetary cycle and at the projected finance that is coming down the line from the UK Government. This is the time to make moves towards reform, because years 3 and 4 will be very challenging.

We are trying to give local authorities maximum flexibility to make decisions on where they spend their money by removing as much ring fencing as possible. It will then be down to each local authority to decide where it spends money and to support revenue-raising opportunities; of course, local authorities have complete freedom around council tax levels. I go back to the exchange that I had with Miles Briggs about the discrete areas of funding that we would want local authorities to continue to spend on in relation to those joint priorities.

Those are not easy things to balance, but we hope and expect that local authorities see the value for money in the third sector investment that they make. The many projects that are delivered are very good value for money, and I think that local government recognises that as much as we do.

We will continue to have those discussions with local government and the third sector, but the context and background to the issue has to be acknowledged.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

We try to be as transparent with information and figures as we can be, and we can certainly look at whether there is more that we can do in that space.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

Let me first take the issue of the affordable housing supply programme budget. We had a bit of an exchange about that at the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee on Tuesday, so I hope that Miles Briggs will not mind me going over some of the key points on it again.

Let me be clear that the 拢3.5 billion for the affordable housing programme remains 拢3.5 billion. There is no change to that, but the profiling of it was always going to ebb and flow depending on the availability of resources.

The capital resources that are available to us are very much restrained by the UK Government鈥檚 decisions. The capital availability remains at the same cash level, but there has been a 3.4 per cent real-terms reduction in our UK Government capital allocation between 2022-23 and 2023-24. Context is important. If you add into that the impact of high inflation, that means that every pound that is available for the affordable housing supply programme in the coming year is worth less than it was last year and much less than it was the year before. Context is important, but the 拢3.5 billion remains the same.

On the funding that is available for the coming year, there is a 拢37 million reduction on the previously published capital spending review figure, which is 4.7 per cent. However, we are taking steps to mitigate that because we know the importance of the programme. We are doing that in three ways. First, additional financial transactions are available to the value of 拢17.6 million. Secondly, we have a 拢15 million transfer from the net zero budget to help with net zero heating systems in the affordable housing supply programme. Thirdly, we will have additional money from the charitable bonds receipts. Taking all of that together, the gap will be reduced to a very small figure, if anything at all.

09:45  

Actually, the main problem is inflation. I met Shelter and other colleagues at the homelessness prevention and strategy group meeting yesterday, and they all said the same: that the major problem is inflation and therefore the value of that money. The Scottish Federation of Housing Associations said exactly the same and that the ability to deliver projects on budget is really constrained because of inflation and interest rates.

On homelessness, more than 拢12 million is included in the budget to support the continued progress of actions in our ending homelessness together action plan. On top of the homelessness funding provided through the local government settlement, we are investing 拢100 million up to 2026-27 to continue to transform the homelessness system. That is in addition to a budget of 拢30.5 million, which is an increase to local authorities for homelessness prevention activity in 2023-24. That funding will be distributed using a revised formula that better represents the drivers of need in homelessness and which recognises local authority efforts to reduce the use of temporary accommodation.

Miles Briggs will be aware of the work that is going on with the task and finish group, of which Shelter is a co-chair, in order to give me some recommendations around what needs to change. The prioritisation of funding and, in particular, grants available to the third sector needs to pivot towards two clear priorities: first, temporary accommodation and reducing the number of people in temporary accommodation, and, secondly, the prevention of homelessness. I think that you will see a far sharper focus on those priorities with the funding that is going in.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

If Pam Duncan-Glancy wants to write to me with the details of the organisation that she is referring to, I would be happy to come back with a more detailed response.

We have tried to support third sector organisations with some of their cost of living pressures, but I have to be honest and say that, whether it is for organisations or households, I do not think that the Government can mitigate every increase in costs, including energy costs. We just do not have the resources to be able to do that in every circumstance. We have tried to help where we can, but we cannot mitigate every increase in costs for every organisation.

However, if Pam Duncan-Glancy wants to write to me with the details of that case, I will be happy to look into it in more detail.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

We recognise the impact of rising operating costs across society, including on charities and voluntary organisations in the third sector. We continue to invest widely in the third sector and have committed to increasing multiyear funding wherever possible.

Under fairer funding principles, multiyear arrangements for third sector organisations are preferred where appropriate, so we want to move to multiyear grants being the default position, unless it is short-term, one-off funding for particular projects. When that is not the case, I would like to move to multiyear funding being the default, and I am committed to progressing that in my portfolio.

All cost factors are taken into account when considering proposals for third sector organisation grants, and it is for individual grant makers and funders to determine the value of individual grants. However, there is conditionality that is concerned with uplifting low-paid workers to at least the real living wage, which is an important part of the fair work principles. Any pay increase that an employer wishes to introduce above and beyond that is, of course, a matter for the employer concerned.

It is a challenge for the third sector鈥攚e cannot shy away from that鈥攂ut it is important that we make progress. Multiyear funding will, at the very least, help third sector organisations to plan beyond year to year.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

Indeed鈥攖hat is all absolutely true. The current fiscal framework arrangements clearly constrain the extent to which we are able to respond to this or any other crisis. I said something about that earlier in relation to our largely fixed budget, our constrained borrowing powers and the reserved powers limit, all of which make things difficult. If we add inflation to that, we see that it is extremely difficult.

10:00  

The fiscal framework review must ensure that, within our devolved responsibilities, the Scottish Government and the Scottish Parliament have the necessary fiscal flexibility to manage the risks that we face now, and will face in the future, and to support economic recovery. We have to get a different set of arrangements out of the review.

The framework is due to be reviewed after the completion of an independent report that was jointly commissioned by the UK and Scottish Governments, and agreement has been reached with our Treasury counterparts on the detailed arrangements for the review. When I said that we were in the foothills of the discussions, that is what I was alluding to. The final version of the report has been submitted to both Governments for consideration, but I understand that the timing and arrangements for publishing it are still under discussion.

I cannot emphasise enough how important it is that we get that right. I am sure that the committee will keep a watching brief on the progress that is being made.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Shona Robison

The agreement is a joint agreement. It has been negotiated very much with the sector and not done to the sector, and that is important. The certainty will do two things. First, it will enable the sector to plan and get on with the new-build developments and improvement programmes for existing homes, as well as the important support services that it provides for tenants.

The second thing, though, is that, when I speak to housing associations鈥擨 am sure that it is the same for members of the committee鈥攖hey always put affordability at the heart of their rent setting. The average rent increases that are proposed and which have been agreed are well below forecast inflation rates, which means that rents will be reduced in real terms.

It is important to say that the voice of tenants is critical in deciding this, and housing associations are using the rent consultations, as they always do, to get the right balance between setting rents that are reasonable and proportionate, and allowing for on-going investment in services and homes.

A big percentage of housing association and council tenants receive housing benefit. We recognise that and the sector recognises it, but it also recognises that there are people in low-income jobs who would struggle with inflation or above-inflation rent rises. The sector has had to take all that into account.

10:45  

One of the pledges that the sector has made鈥攚e want to work with it on this鈥攊s to look at how we can provide additional support for tenants who are struggling with their rent. I am particularly thinking about those low-income households that do not receive housing benefit.

The agreement gives the sector what it was looking for, and it means that the sector now has that certainty going forward.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Shona Robison

We cannot shy away from the fact that difficult decisions will have to be made across the public sector, not just in local government. The Accounts Commission pointed out that, based on the profiling of the budget set out by the UK Government, years 3 and 4 look particularly challenging. Even though things are tough, this year and next year will be the best time to look at reforms, at how services could be delivered differently and at whether there are some services that could be shared while maintaining a policy of no compulsory redundancies, to which most, if not all, councils have committed.

That will mean having to look at how things are done differently but, if you look at the quantum of the budget that we have and at how we have allocated it, bearing in mind inflationary pressures, you will see that we have tried to do what we can to give local government a fair settlement in the circumstances.

It must be recognised, however, that this is probably the most challenging budget settlement since devolution, because it is not just about the quantum of money; it is about inflationary and pay pressures. Those heap problem upon problem on an already stretched budget. We have tried to set out our rationale, and we have used our tax-raising powers to raise additional moneys to put towards the NHS in particular. We will continue to discuss with other parties what other options people feel could be brought to the table, but there are no easy answers here.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Shona Robison

It is fair to say that, in the past six months, there has been a big focus on things such as the cost of living crisis, the pay deals and the budget. We now want to turbocharge the focus on the new deal.

A number of discussions are taking place. A number took place towards the end of the year, and there are a number at the ministerial level this month to try to move things forward.

COSLA and the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Managers have been clear that they want to get it right and that they would rather not rush. They want to take the time to get it right and, on balance, that is probably the right judgment. If a deal is going to stand the test of time, even if it takes a few more months to get it right, that is probably the right call, to be honest.