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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

We expect officials across the Scottish Government to work closely on that, to know what grant applications are in and to know which ones are likely to be approved or not approved. Sometimes that is important if a particular fund is under real pressure and we can look at whether other funds in Government can be brought to the table to support that. That happens fairly regularly.

It should not matter where the fund is located in Government. The same approach should be taken in the move to multiyear funding and towards the key priorities, which the Deputy First Minister has set out, of tackling child poverty, sustaining public services and moving to net zero. You would expect those priorities to be reflected through all the funds for the third sector across various parts of Government.

Will it be right in every circumstance? I am sure that there will be glitches on occasion. However, what I have set out is how we expect the system to operate, and we expect close communication to take place.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

Yes, it is. I hope that our actions, whether it is through the 拢3 billion that has been allocated to help low-income households in the current financial year, 拢1 billion of which is available only in Scotland, or, going forward, through the budget decisions that we have made鈥攏ot least the allocation of 拢780 million above the block grant adjustment for social security鈥攁re seen as active political choices and decisions about how we support household budgets and people on low incomes. That comes at a cost, if you like, with regard to the availability of funding for other things, but, in the current financial climate, it is absolutely the right decision and one that we would defend vigorously.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

That is an important question. A number of processes are on-going across portfolios as they continue to assess the value and impact of policies. The vast majority of the programmes, policies and services that the budget funds are not necessarily freshly generated and announced at the point at which the annual budget is introduced; budgets are more likely to be reviewed and refined in the light of a number of factors, including the human rights dimension. A number of large policy areas have substantive evaluation programmes in place to assess the outcome of the spending programmes, and those deliver results at different points in the policy cycle.

We expect equality and human rights impact assessments to be a key part of that process but not the only factor in informing final decisions. Other considerations might include making budget adjustments due to changes in available resources to support the policy delivery, reprofiling the phasing of delivery and, as we did in the emergency budget review, focusing on other key priorities, which means perhaps not funding other things.

The equality and human rights impact assessment is key. Of itself, that is probably not a reason to change a budget decision, but it would be part of the assessment of the priority of that funding decision.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

As I have said, and as Kevin Stevens said, it is not a target as such. It is more a measurement, alongside 69 others, around performance. With the charter being reviewed, the committee has an opportunity to look at whether the measurements are still fit for purpose. As I said, I will get the details on timelines and scope to the committee.

We should consider the growth of Social Security Scotland. When the charter was set out, back in 2019, it was a very different organisation, so part of looking again at the charter will be to reflect the fact that it is now a much larger organisation that is dealing with and processing applications from a far bigger group of people, and processing a larger number of supports and benefits. The context now is very different, and that can perhaps be looked at as part of the review.

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

I will pass that over to Kevin Stevens in a moment. I do not think that there is any attempt not to provide the data, or to be opaque in any way, with regard to the Scottish Fiscal Commission. It would not be in our, or Social Security Scotland鈥檚, interest to do so, given the importance of the SFC鈥檚 forecasts and the adjustments that it makes on that basis. It is in our interest to ensure that the SFC gets that right, and that the forecasts are accurate.

Kevin, do you want to add anything in relation to the speed at which that information is provided?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

The 拢85.9 million investment in discretionary housing payments provides critical support. The budget has increased from 2022-23 because of the funding that was added to mitigate the benefit cap as fully as we can within devolved powers. Anyone who is in receipt of housing benefit or universal credit with a housing element will be able to claim a DHP towards the amount that their benefits have been reduced by the cap.

In 2023-24, we will make 拢83.7 million available to local authorities to spend on DHPs, and the 拢69.7 million to fully mitigate the bedroom tax will help more than 91,000 households in Scotland to sustain their tenancies. We will invest 拢6.2 million from April onwards to mitigate the benefit cap and 拢7.9 million to mitigate the impact of other UK Government welfare cuts, including the continuing freeze to local housing allowance rates, to which I referred earlier, which has a major impact on renters, given that they have been frozen for the third year in a row.

Those are important investments, but they are out of a fixed budget. If those issues were fixed at source, we would be able to spend that money on something else.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

We have written to the UK Government a number of times, asking it to use its levers. The First Minister herself wrote to the Prime Minister towards the end of last year. That letter included requests for things such as further financial support, particularly on energy costs, to be targeted at low-income households; the increasing of social security benefits in line with inflation; a permanent 拢25 uplift to universal credit, like the one that was made during the pandemic but then removed; the reversal of the two-child limit for UC and tax credits; and the abolition of the benefit cap. Although the UK Government has gone some way on the windfall tax, we thought that it could go further on that. We also asked for additional funding for devolved Governments鈥攏ot just our own but others鈥攖o help to provide support to people.

We have made those representations on a number of occasions.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

In 2023-24, as I just said, we are giving all local authorities an annual share of 拢30.5 million for homelessness prevention and an annual share of 拢8 million to support the rapid rehousing transition plans. We will look at how we ensure that the new priorities and recommendations that emerge from that group are reflected in the spend. I will obviously need to see what those recommendations are. Some of them might be around resourcing, but some of them will probably be more around prioritisation and how we use the existing money in the system to focus on issues of temporary accommodation and prevention.

I have also been meeting with housing conveners to look at what more can be done, particularly in those areas with the biggest problems, which I will come to in a second. I have been encouraging proposals to look at bringing empty properties back into use and to be more strategic. I have been encouraging local authorities to bid into the 拢50 million Ukraine long-term resettlement fund with a view to long-term investment鈥攏ot just for displaced persons from Ukraine but to bring properties back that will be there for long-term use, which is important.

With specific reference to Edinburgh and Glasgow, where the vast bulk of issues around temporary accommodation lie, I have asked them to come forward with proposals and I have said that I will look favourably upon any that specifically demonstrate that they will make an impact on the use of temporary accommodation.

I understand that Edinburgh is working on something, although we have not yet seen the detail of it. Of course, Edinburgh received extra money last year for the affordable housing supply programme. I have made the offer and we shall see what comes back.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

On your earlier point, the third sector has often made the argument that being able to pay staff the real living wage and hold on to staff is probably more cost effective than having high staff turnover. That is not to underestimate the challenge, but having the certainty of multiyear funding, with staff knowing that they will have a contract next year, prevents people from leaving to look for other jobs because funding is uncertain. That is probably why multiyear funding has been the third sector鈥檚 key ask above all else, and its importance cannot be overestimated.

When we work with a stakeholder on a long-term basis, I expect them to receive a multiyear grant. As I said earlier, we want that to be the default. However, it is not always appropriate, such as when a project is coming to an end or is given a short-term funding arrangement, such as a one-year, one-off payment. Officials are processing grant proposals now, and we will monitor progress across the fairer funding principles, including multiyear funding, to make sure that we can roll that out as quickly as we can. It will become the default and presumption rather than the exception.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Shona Robison

Officials meet the SCVO and other umbrella organisations for the third sector regularly. I cannot remember exactly when I met the chief executive of the SCVO, but I recall having a discussion last year. Multiyear funding is always, understandably, a key ask in those discussions, and we will continue to work with the SCVO and others on moving to the new system of multiyear funding.

Our relationship with the SCVO and other bodies is good. The SCVO has been an extremely important partner on Covid recovery, so other ministers have met it and have heard its input on that. We will continue to do that. It is an important relationship.