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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

Some of it will relate to particular areas of delivery that are required at a particular time. I will turn to Alison Cumming for the detail, but I think that part of it will be around the requirement for us to support police pensions, which is reflected in the budget for the police. Some of it will relate to particular cycles of requirement and investment, and the police budget is reflective of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

The budget is, in very difficult circumstances, trying to invest in as many areas as possible to deliver on the Government鈥檚 objectives, but there is less money to be invested. If we were to have increases in all the areas that you mention, it would mean reductions in budgets elsewhere. We have to make choices to deliver a balanced budget. Those choices are not easy, but we are in consultation with Neil Gray and other ministers on what we will do to ensure, for example, that our enterprise agencies are focused on the key things that matter.

The skills review that Withers delivered challenged us to ensure that our skills delivery landscape鈥攚hich involves a huge, multi-billion pound investment鈥攄elivers better impact for the economy and that our apprenticeships deliver. Graeme Dey is taking forward some very important work to ensure that what our apprenticeship system and college offerings deliver is more aligned with what businesses say they need to fill the skills gaps in their sectors.

Taken with the strategic investments that we are making in green energy and renewables, we have tried to align a declining amount of resources, particularly on the capital side, to have the best impact that we can. Those decisions are not easy, and if you asked me whether I would prefer not to have had to make them, that would of course be my conclusion. However, in the light of falling budgets, we have to be clear鈥攁nd we are being clear鈥攚ith our agencies that the focus needs to be on delivery.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

There has been an analysis of the impact of the 拢500 million investment, of which the 拢69 million is the first tranche. I do not have that in front of me, but I can forward it to the committee. That investment was explicitly recommended by the investor panel, which said that investment in that sector is the one key investment that the Scottish Government can make that will have a substantial return for the Scottish economy. We have talked about the constrained capital resources. Given that there is less money to invest, we have to be pretty strategic about where we can invest, and we have identified that area as important.

The Fraser of Allander figures that you referred to show that Scotland is seen as a good place to invest because of that certainty of objective. It is very clear, with no ifs or buts, that that area of the economy will continue to see investment, and that speaks to international investors who are looking to make choices about where they invest.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

No鈥攂ecause the Scottish Funding Council has not completed its discussions with the sector.

I take the point that universities that rely more on the teaching grant, particularly the smaller universities, are in a different financial position from larger universities that are sitting with large reserves, which we were talking about earlier. Their differing positions will be taken into account in future discussions.

As I said to the convener earlier, the easy thing is to point to areas of the budget where there are challenges with falling resources; the more difficult thing is to put forward a proposition on what different decisions would be made. I would be happy to hear them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

Since 2018, devolved employability services have reached more than 100,000 people. They continue to do some very important work. There is a move towards a system that will be easier for users to navigate and that is more focused. Local employability partnerships are being given responsibility to deliver services in their areas that meet the needs of their users and local labour markets. That is where the focus of employability services will be.

There is no doubt, however, that where employability funding has been reduced, whether it is through the in-year savings this year or last year, that has been an unfortunate consequence of the pressure on Scottish Government budgets. Had we made decisions elsewhere and not in employability, I am sure that those issues would be raised with me today.

With regard to the position of business, I know that on non-domestic rates, for example, businesses in the relevant sectors would have preferred the Scottish Government to have passed on the NDR business tax cuts. Had we done that, however, there would have been substantially less funding for the NHS and for public services.

Ultimately, these matters come down to the choices that we have had to make. Those choices have been difficult, but I could not, in all conscience, cut business taxes at the expense of investment in the NHS.

When we sit with the choices in front of us and we have to balance a budget, and make decisions between business tax cuts or NHS funding, I have been clear that there is only ever going to be one answer to the question, and it has to be prioritising investment in the NHS over business tax cuts鈥攁t this time, anyway.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

Give me a second.

Essentially, the SFC will be discussing the matter with the sector. It is fair to say that it is expected that the funds that will be available to colleges at the start of 2024-25 will be very similar to the funds that were invested by colleges in 2023-24. A number of in-year savings were made in demand-led areas of spend, where the figures were lower than had been anticipated. We anticipate that the allocations will be very similar to the core funding that colleges received鈥攁nd have been investing鈥攆or 2023-24. The college sector is already working on and delivering careful management of demand-led spend, including a continuation of savings that have been delivered in this financial year. That is what the SFC would support the sector to do.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

No鈥攖here is no number or figure that I am aware of that relates to that figure.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

The figure of 1,200 is the Covid and pre-Covid number, yes. However, the 1,200 places can longer be sustained. We sustained them for two years to try to prevent that provision ending earlier than would have been the case. If we had followed the UK Government Covid funding, that provision would have ended two years ago, because that funding ended. What I am saying is that we kept those extra places going for another two years, but we are not going to be able to sustain that in the future.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

The universities continue to develop modelling with regard to the balance between domestic and international students. The situation with the 1,200 Covid places and the pre-Covid places will not be a surprise to the universities, because the Covid places were never going to be sustained in the long term. Universities should be more than aware of that.

As I said, we have kept that provision going, with Scottish Government resources, beyond the time when that money was removed by the UK Government. The numbers will now return to the pre-Covid level, and the universities should have been anticipating that that would be the case.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

First, the investment in higher education and further education is 拢2 billion, which is still a substantial investment. The media discussion has centred on the position of 1,200 places. If we go back to the origin of the issue, we see that, during Covid, the processes that were put in place for assessing highers meant that there was a different process of continual assessment. Therefore, there was a big spike in the number of students who were gaining university entrance. We used Covid moneys to fund an additional 1,200 places for universities so that they could address that spike. We have maintained those places for two years without the Covid funding being available, because that funding from the UK Government ended. We have managed to keep those places going for two years, but the position is not sustainable. The spike that resulted from changes that were made during the pandemic means that we have to return to the pre-Covid number of university places.