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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

It is important that we take both short-term and longer-term views. The Scottish Fiscal Commission’s modelling takes into account factors such as behaviour change, but work that His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs will publish later this year will provide more detail.

We will continue to consider, monitor and evaluate our policies for any impact, whether it be on behaviour change or any other element of the economy. We will do that through the auspices of organisations that are trusted and independent, such as HMRC. The work that it is doing in this space will be extremely valuable. I am sure that the committee will take an interest in that information, as soon as we have it and it is in the public domain.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

No. I have picked up probably what you have picked up, which is that we are looking at moveable feasts here. There is speculation about further tax cuts; we are in an election year, which is clearly going to be a factor; and we have this major fiscal event on 6 March, which, if you listen to what the press briefings are alluding to, will mean further tax cuts, although others are saying that such a move will not be sustainable. Indeed, the commentary from the Office for Budget Responsibility is that it is definitely not. I have seen nothing to suggest any long-term strategy for any of these issues—it all seems very short term at the moment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

Portfolios have had to wrestle with some very difficult decisions, because there is less money to go around. In fact, with the tax cuts that you are proposing, there will be even less—more than half a billion pounds less, I think—to spend on public services. Even with the tax position that we have proposed, which has raised £389 million of additional funding, difficult decisions have had to be made, with each portfolio having to make judgments about the areas that cannot be sustained and have had to have their funding reduced. The flexible workforce development fund has been one of those areas.

Despite that, we recognise that Scotland’s colleges are absolutely at the heart of the skills system and will be a major part of things as we move forward. We have the review of the skills landscape, and colleges will continue to play an important role within that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

There are hundreds of small pots of money across the whole of Government that all add up to a lot of money, and I guess that I took the strategic decision that I was going to prioritise front-line spend on our front-line public services. That required me to shift money in that direction, which makes things difficult for other areas of spend.

Would we wish it were otherwise? Of course, but when you get less money, there is less money to go round. As a result, every budget has to be looked at, and the strategic priority was front-line spend on our public services. I note that, again at an evidence session, we have not heard quite so much about the front-line spend on the NHS, on the police or on fire, and I suspect that that is because those are the areas where we have prioritised spend.

Instead, what we are hearing about are those areas that have had to take a hit as a result, one of which you have highlighted. If you want to come to our meeting to suggest that that should be the priority that you would like to be addressed and to highlight other areas where we could make changes, I will of course be happy to hear what you are suggesting.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

Our higher education institutions will, as ever, have a challenging set of circumstances to wrestle with. One of the circumstances, which members will be aware of, is the restriction on international students. I am not downplaying those factors, which are all at play for universities, but they will have to manage the levers that they have to find a path. Larger universities probably have the ability to do that more readily, and perhaps there are some particular challenges for some of our smaller institutions compared with the larger ones, but I do not downplay the pressures on our university sector. We have supported it as best we can with the available resources for funded university places, and we have given it the best support that we can, given the limitations of the budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

Discussions with the sector will continue, and of course we want to try and be as helpful as we can, but you are asking me to lodge amendments to take money from elsewhere to give to the universities. If you can suggest where that money should come from, I am all ears.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

It is. As I have just said, conversations with the sector take place on an on-going basis. I have had individual discussions with some institutions as well, and of course the issues you mentioned have been brought to the fore.

Until 6 March, though, I do not know whether the money that we have in the budget now is going to be there, let alone whether we will have any additional funding. There could be a scenario on 6 March in which the UK Government makes decisions that could impact negatively on the funding that we have available. I hope that that is not the case, but we will continue to discuss with those in the higher education sector and others how we can work with them. If there are things that we can do that are helpful, beyond trying to find money that does not exist, then of course we will do them. There may be other things we could do that could be helpful to them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

As I said, the Scottish Funding Council is in the process of producing the academic year 2024-25 indicative allocations for both colleges and universities—last year it produced those in the spring—which will provide the detail that you are looking for about funded university places. That is expected in the spring of this year, as it was in the spring of last year.

During the last session, we spent a lot of time talking about the 1,200 places for universities that—as Universities Scotland has been very clear—were Covid additional places and were never envisaged to be there for the long term. It always knew that those places would be reduced, and the timeframe for that was always very clear. We will allow the Scottish Funding Council to get on with the job that it does every year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

That is how it works.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

The Scottish Funding Council will discuss the number of places with colleges and universities, which will be within the overall budget that has been allocated to colleges and universities, but you are asking me about additional money in an environment—