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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Shona Robison

I am aware that some litigation cases with Glasgow City Council are going on. I am also aware that a criminal case is on-going. Obviously, I cannot comment on that because it is a live case. I have reiterated the apology that my predecessor gave. To be honest, I know that that recognition is sometimes the most important thing for people who are in that position.

On other supports, there are support networks for survivors who have been through absolutely appalling experiences. I know that some Fornethy survivors have accessed some of that support. Support is provided through Future Pathways. That support was established recognising that people will need it. Some people will want to access such support.

I cannot comment on the litigation cases. I wrote to Glasgow City Council this morning to bring to its attention the fact that the two reports exist. I know that the Fornethy survivors have made a number of demands of Glasgow City Council. Obviously, I cannot instruct Glasgow City Council on those matters, but I have drawn the reports to its attention.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Shona Robison

The former Deputy First Minister had met Fornethy survivors, as have I. He said, in essence, what I said at the beginning today: that Fornethy survivors could apply to the redress scheme but the issue was likely to be what evidence there was before the redress scheme鈥攖he panel who have to make decisions on the basis of the evidence in front of them.

That is why I instructed Dr Fossey to do the research to establish whether the survivors could access the scheme or whether there were impediments to accessing the scheme on the basis of the parental consent issue and the lack of records to provide the evidential base for someone to submit their claim.

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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Shona Robison

I have never said that either.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Shona Robison

I am not for a second disputing what the women are saying. Let me be really clear. I believe what they are saying, but I am saying to you that Redress Scotland requires some evidence of someone having been placed in a setting, and there is no record for anybody. Potentially, thousands of people could have been placed in Fornethy-type institutions, and what we would be saying to the Redress Scotland panel? That there does not need to be any record of a person having been in a Fornethy-type institution?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Shona Robison

You would be raising expectations in people who do not have records鈥攂ecause the records do not exist.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Shona Robison

Obviously, any legal advice that anyone receives needs to be independent legal advice about potential litigation. There are some on-going litigation cases against Glasgow City Council, which I cannot comment on because they are live. Similarly, there is a live criminal case that I cannot comment on either. That route is open.

On the support that the Government provides, I have talked about the support that is provided through Future Pathways to help survivors, and I have talked about the support that is given in looking for case records. The Government provides about 拢2.4 million, I think, to help survivors to get records. One of the reasons we did the piece of research was to address that issue, because of the importance of records for Redress Scotland. So, there is support available to help survivors who have been in long-term care and have had difficulty in accessing records, because of the importance of having that evidence to present to Redress Scotland. That is the situation.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Shona Robison

I am not saying that at all. I am saying that the eligibility criteria have been set with the exceptions clearly set out. Technically, those exceptions could be changed, but I have said why I do not think that it would be the right approach. As was laid out in Parliament at the time and agreed unanimously, the focus is on those who were in long-term care having been removed from parental responsibility.

The point that I am making about the independence of Redress Scotland is that it is quite right that decision making around awards is independent of the Government. It would not be right for us to interfere in Redress Scotland鈥檚 determination in individual cases. As a panel, Redress Scotland looks at individual cases on the basis of the evidence that is required, which is set out in guidance. That is the relationship.

Barry McCaffrey, do you want to come in?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

I have not made a decision about that. I am optimistic that all the funding will be utilised for its intended purpose. We have not made decisions about how remaining funding will be distributed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

We have given the SNIB the vast bulk of the financial transactions that we have available to us. However, remember that, as we have discussed previously, UK Government financial transactions have gone off a cliff. That is unfortunate, because the two areas of spend for financial transactions have traditionally been the affordable housing supply programme and the SNIB. We have prioritised the SNIB for the financial transactions that are available to us. That means that the affordable housing supply programme has less available to it in financial transactions.

The supplementary estimates that I referred to indicate a 拢64 million reduction in financial transactions that we will have flexibility to manage in 2024-25. That will heap pressure on the areas of the Government that use financial transactions. The additional pressure of managing that further reduction in financial transactions is now in the pot. We will have to assess that once we see the full picture in the spring budget on 6 March.

I make the point that FTs are a useful source of funding. We have traditionally utilised them well in the two areas of spend to which I referred. When they are significantly reduced, that has an impact. Because of the capital position鈥攁 10 per cent reduction in capital availability鈥攚e are not able to supplement the reduction in FTs with traditional capital. Those things have an impact, and that is the impact that they are having. If the position changes in the spring budget, we will want to revisit it, because we recognise the importance of the SNIB.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Shona Robison

I am not sure that I would put it in those terms. Social security funding is a key priority and an investment for us. It has clearly been an area of growth, as we introduce new benefits and make changes to existing ones. As you are well aware, that has led to significant expenditure and commitment beyond the block grant adjustment from the UK Government.

Important work is being undertaken on longer-term sustainability to ensure that social security funding can continue to deliver what it needs to deliver. That will mean ensuring that there is efficiency, that measures are effective, that the decision-making processes are as good as and as effective as they can be, and that the new benefits, in particular, are delivered in a way that is fair to everybody. We need to scrutinise delivery of social security, and we need to ensure efficiency and effectiveness within the system.

Is there an open cheque book? If that is what you are asking me, the answer is no. Social security funding is a priority, but we need to ensure that it is sustainable in the long term, so a lot of work is being undertaken in that respect. As we recognise, and as you and external organisations will point out to me, the future growth of that requirement is a key pressure on the Scottish budget, and we need to be aware of that.