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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Rhoda Grant

The purpose of amendment 64 is to try to grasp the impact of third-party investment on land management. Greenwashing is causing real problems in our fight against climate change, and it is becoming more widespread. Polluters often seek to fund carbon sequestration to allow them to continue their pollution while portraying themselves as being carbon neutral or even better.

I learned recently that stopping deforestation generates carbon credits. How on earth can we meet our net zero obligations when we are already using our current natural capital to increase pollution? The market is unmanaged and we must get a grip on it. Amendment 64 would allow us at least to see the scale of so-called green investment in Scotland and take steps to prevent our land from being abused by polluters.

I support the other amendments in the group that seek to improve reporting on the objectives of the bill and to measure success or otherwise. If we are to meet those objectives, we must measure progress towards them.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Rhoda Grant

My amendments 43 and 46 require there to be joined-up thinking between policy areas. Agricultural policy should not be developed in a silo; it must contribute to other policy areas such as healthy diet, climate and biodiversity outcomes, and resilient and thriving rural communities.

Amendment 43 seeks to incorporate the good food nation plan into the list of matters that would be considered by the rural support plan. It seems obvious to me that that should be in the bill. Given the assurances that have been given by the cabinet secretary and the comments that she has made, I will not move amendment 43.

Amendment 46 relates to land reform. I have heard what the cabinet secretary has said, but I think that she has misunderstood the aim of my amendment. Our land ownership model is regressive鈥攖hat is widely understood and accepted鈥攚hich is why the Parliament is considering another bill on land reform. However, it is difficult to see how land reform legislation will move the dial when other policies pop up and encourage large-scale private land ownership.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Rhoda Grant

Given that this is the crucial part of the bill, it would be good to see drafts. I understand that the members who have lodged amendments to this part of the bill will see that, but others, such as myself, who have not lodged amendments at this stage, would be interested to see draft amendments so that we can scrutinise them properly. At stage 3, we are in a take-it-or-leave-it situation, which is not appropriate for this scale of amendment to a bill, because it really is about the operation of the legislation. I urge the minister to share drafts with the committee and allow us to take evidence from her and from stakeholders.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Rhoda Grant

Convener, can I intervene on the cabinet secretary before Colin Smyth winds up?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Rhoda Grant

I believe that the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill needs to have regard to legislation in the same subject area that will impact it鈥攁nd it will have a big impact on land reform.

As I said, we tend to encourage large-scale ownership in the way that we distribute agricultural funding. For example, 50 per cent of the agricultural budget goes to the top 7 per cent of recipients. To me, that seems to fly in the face of the land reform agenda. Therefore, I believe that that agenda needs to be taken into account when we are looking at how we distribute agricultural subsidies and that the subsidy system should not set up any false incentives that perpetuate our uneven distribution of land.

The other amendments in the group seem to be fair. I cannot support Rachael Hamilton鈥檚 amendment 131, because I think that it is important that we follow EU policy where it is possible and where it is in our interests to do so. The EU is a competitor and it is one of our biggest markets. It is important that we continue to be able to sell into that market.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Rhoda Grant

I am grateful to the committee for giving me the opportunity to speak, and I am grateful to Derek Noble for pursuing PE1974.

I share the committee鈥檚 disappointment at the cabinet secretary鈥檚 response, because it repeats what has been said before. It takes no notice of the fact that residents on the other side of the Stromeferry bypass need to cross the bypass for hospital care and secondary education and to support the economy of the area. That is a major issue on the road. The alternative route takes six hours, and that cuts off the area鈥檚 economy. It means that someone would get to Glasgow and Edinburgh sooner than they would get to their local hospital. It is a 130-mile detour. You have to go all the way back to the east coast to come back west again. The Scottish Government鈥檚 response is so disappointing, because it just seems to be saying no, despite the evidence, and there is no right of appeal.

In a way, the response adds insult to injury by talking about priority bus routes and cycle lanes, because there are no buses other than the school buses, and a cycle lane would take up the total width of the road. There is no option to put those things in place. Money is available for that, but there is no money available for the very basics.

I have some figures from 2017. The costs varied from 拢37 million to 拢129 million. Using the Scottish Parliament information centre鈥檚 inflator, I note that those costs would now be 拢46 million to 拢159 million, but we know that the costs of roads and inflation are much greater than that. Even if we took the figure of 拢159 million, Highland Council received 拢33.6 million of capital funding this year. How many years using its full capital budget allocation would it take for it to fix the road? It is absolutely not feasible.

The Scottish Government鈥檚 response has basically said to those communities that it is tough, that Highland Council cannot afford to do the work because the Government does not fund it adequately and that it is washing its hands of the whole situation. That is not a sustainable position.

I ask the committee not to close the petition but to look at another option to appeal to the Scottish Government to work with Highland Council to try to find a funding option that would allow the road to be improved. It will take the Scottish Government to provide Highland Council with that funding or ways of accessing it.

The Government might also want to involve Network Rail. We are talking about the road, but the rail line is just beside the road. The road saved the rail line, to an extent, after the most recent major rockfalls. In fact, the rail line was used as a temporary road to avoid the long detour. However, if the Government is washing its hands of this, it is only a matter of time. When there is a big rockfall, the road will close and there will be nothing to protect the rail line. We could lose both the road and the rail connection. I do not know whether the committee has spoken to Network Rail to see whether it has similar concerns. Could that help with some of the capital funding?

Highland Council provides some capital funding. I know that it is struggling at the moment, but all three bodies could look at the problem. If we are looking to Highland Council to sort it out, it would take its capital funding for the best part of a decade. That is just not going to happen.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Rhoda Grant

I just want to get this right in my head. With scallop dredgers, there is a 28-day grace period if their equipment fails, but for the pelagic fleet there is no grace period, so they have to stop fishing and come back. They have a short season, and they could be tied up for a number of days, waiting for someone to come and fix their equipment. Is there any way that they can get an exemption, if an issue is no fault of their own, to allow them to fish during that time, or is that just tough?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Rhoda Grant

It could be more catastrophic for a pelagic vessel to be tied up, waiting for repairs, than for a scallop vessel, which can continue to fish for 28 days.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 April 2024

Rhoda Grant

Some of your members have already fitted and are working with REM systems. How often do those systems become faulty and how long does it take to fix them?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 April 2024

Rhoda Grant

Does the system give feedback? If someone was fishing in a place where they would not usually fish, would that be indicated? When a fishery is closed, we know that people move out of their usual fishery into a different one, because they have to make a living. Does the system warn people that they are moving into an MPA? Does it warn them of any criteria that they need to meet in different areas? Does it work both ways? Does it give fishers a better idea of what they should be doing where?