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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

You would agree that they should still make the distinction between criminal behaviour and gross misconduct, which might be something completely different.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

But those are criminal cases.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

Okay. I will ask you about the bits of the bill that you do not support. Is that because you think that it works better to have a joint role between the PIRC and HMICS?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

Katharina Kasper, do you want to add anything?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

Good afternoon. I want to clarify something in your answer to Russell Findlay’s question about complaints about excessive force and handcuffs. Are there two separate heads of complaint for that—assault and excessive force?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

So, you do not send every complaint to the PIRC. You filter out the ones that you think comply with—

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

An issue that has come up a few times is that police officers are not always notified at the time of the detail of the allegations against them.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. The bill does not say whether the duty of candour will apply to police officers who are off duty. Will you give a view as to why you think that the bill should cover that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

You just want clarity on that. You are not particularly arguing for off-duty officers to be included.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pauline McNeill

Thank you for that.

My next question relates to whistleblowing. We have only scratched the surface of some of this stuff, to be honest, but I have not encountered any cases of whistleblowing in Police Scotland. We have had cases elsewhere. Is there a need for a definition of whistleblowing, given that it could mean a lot of different things? Some people might have seen something that they want to report, but are there any grey areas? To me, whistleblowing tends to involve a bigger systemic failure that it is in the public interest for someone to report. Can you comment on that?