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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

Is there any point in having further discussions without any money on the table?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

Can you furnish the committee with exactly what you are going to do in those three years? You have set out some of that to the committee. I ask because, for those who are working in a station and do not know at what point they will have the new facilities, it would be helpful to at least be transparent about that. I can understand why, as you say, you have to look at the priority and that it is not easy because a number of stations are not compliant. We know that. It would be helpful to have some transparency about where stations are in the programme for the next 10 years. It would be helpful if you could furnish the committee with information on who is on the list for the three years.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

That would be really helpful.

My second question, which I asked the previous panel, is about the extension of the role of firefighters, which I think is interesting. I commend everybody who has been involved in that. To me, it is very forward thinking, because so much is changing in society and that is not just about budget pressures; it is the world in general. I am clear that there is no money to enact that extended role but, if you had money tomorrow, how quickly could you make progress on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

So, with funding, and with an incremental approach over time, it is good to go, so to speak.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. I have two questions on the same theme. I am trying to establish what progress has been made in the past two or three years. My first question is on decontamination. I think that we are all familiar with the report. We debated it in Parliament in Katy Clark’s members’ business debate and the minister made some commitments. What progress has there been since then? I will need to put the same question to the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service itself, but can you say what progress has been made?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

That would, however, cover only a proportion of the stations that are deficient. Albeit that you cannot do it within three years, is there a long-term plan for every station in every area that is required to be compliant? Let us say that you had another three years and you got another £10 million, would you know where that would be spent? That is what I am asking.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

Do you have any idea at all of what amount of money we are talking about to kick that off? I presume that it is tens of millions.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

Good afternoon. I have a few questions. On that last point about the sharing of buildings, which has been mentioned before, the Scottish Ambulance Service has been mentioned, but are you thinking about police control rooms as well?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

That is helpful, and it makes sense. I do not know how practical it is to incorporate police stations into that model, given the need, in some cases, for detention facilities and so on.

You have answered a lot of questions about decontamination and the three-year capital programme, and you have said that it will be decades before the service is fit for purpose. I have noted all that. In relation to decontamination, is there a staged plan for the roll-out as the capital becomes available? Do you know where you would start and where you will roll out from? Is the work done to that extent, albeit that you will not be able to do it for some time?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pauline McNeill

We know that there are hundreds of stations where there is a lack of the proper shower facilities, and that it will take a long time to get round them all. Is there a phased plan? Should the money become available, would you be able to say that you would roll it out here and then here and so on, so that all the places that are deficient would be covered in time? Does that make sense?